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Mercedes ALP London FB
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No: 854   Contributor: Wayne Davies   Year: 2006   Manufacturer: Mercedes-Benz   Country: United Kingdom
Mercedes ALP London FB

A beautifull looking 2002 Mercedes Econic of the London Fire Brigade. On top you can see the Magirus ALP 320 L boom.
Fleetnumber ALP 8 M.
Picture added on 16 May 2006
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London Fire Brigade, United Kingdom
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Very huge machine for LFB.But i seldom see this Econic in action.The Fire Brigade Model has made this appliance model and it's rated 5 star by Model Collector magazine.

Added by Bomba Boy on 06 December 2006.
Alp 8 is one of 3 appliances bought by london fire brigade to replace the 6 ageing "bronto's". Alp 7 is at wembley, 8 at wimbledon and 9 at hayes. 10 and 11 are on their way to tottenham and forest hill.i have been involved in the training for these lovely machines right from the start and now, after some initial teething problems, they are doing well. The rear wheel steer causes some problems and the electronics have been somewhat iffy. Gb fire in dudley are doing a great job with them at the moment. Any queries please don't hesitate to ask. [email protected]

Added by Tony on 01 February 2007.
Is the Magirus ALP an improvement over the Bronto ALP system?

Added by Nick on 09 February 2007.
The Bronto's that London had were great machines but were past their sell-by date. I am not conversant with the newer design of Bronto but I believe that they are very popular, especially in the US. I will shortly be going to Magirus's factory in Germany to look at the new 325L ALP and will report back. This model, I am led to believe, is a purely Magirus design and build, not an amalgum from different companies and agents. Tony

Added by Tony on 09 February 2007.
in what way have the rear steer axles caused problems?

Added by Paul on 13 April 2007.
The plural of Bronto is Brontos AND NOT Bronto's. I don't know what's going on with the English language any more; it drives me mad. You never pluralize with an apostrophe. The same goes for Volvo and Scania. It should be Volvos and Scanias, not an apostrophe in sight. ALPs and not ALP's. IT's hardly rocket science.

Added by Yelp Bullhorn on 15 December 2007.
how did the rear steer axle cause 'problems'?

Added by Paul H. on 31 December 2007.
nice-looking unit. the only problem is it doesn't"t carry any water. imagine if it did. here in the usa almost all our ladder trucks carry at least 300 gallons of water.

Added by Don Roberts on 06 August 2019.
what you people need is what we call a QUINT. it carries water can draft water has an elevated water stream and can reach from 75 to 105 ft.

Added by Don Roberts on 06 August 2019.
The UK does have what are basically quints but they have proved to be a massive failure. An attempt was made to develop a combined engine and ladder but differences in the way that the UK fire service work compared to US fire departments meant the whole idea was never going to work.

Added by Andy Fish on 07 August 2019.
Don: These do not have a pump or water tank.

Added by Rob Johnson on 08 August 2019.
Andy:- Magirus tried to introduce the quint concept in Germany too with the Multistar. It too failed to obtain any widespread acceptance for the same reasons.

It was too big, too unwieldy, too unstable and too expensive...

Interestingly enough, most large US cities do not operate quints, instead using the extensive locker space on their aerials for an array of forcible entry, ventilation and rescue equipment, as well as ground ladders. The quint tends to be mainly a unit which pops up in smaller town fire stations, where the idea is that money and manpower can be saved by having one truck do the work of two...

Added by Rob Johnson on 08 August 2019.
Rob, For a time the city of St Louis ran a total quint concept dept and was the only major city in the USA that ever did.
Of course there are numerous US large city depts. that operate aerials with a pump but still regard them as "truck" companies. Detroit even go to the degree of having all of their aerial apparatus fitted with a small water tank and pump supplying a booster reel. Even the city Squad companies have a limited firefighting capability.

Added by Andy Fish on 08 August 2019.
The Detroit ladders go back to the far off days when their pumps had no tanks or reels. My 1913 LCC "Notebook on the Fire Brigade" also mentions that this was the practice in London starting in the 1890s, when "ladder vans" carrying escape ladders had a small water tank with a CO2 cylinder to pressurize the supply to a hose reel system. Pump appliances without water tanks were being bought into the 1930s, while pump escapes and dual purpose appliances had them.

Actually, large cities including New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Boston and others do not have aerials with pumps, although Chicago has one snorkel pump and Boston has one tower. With large fleets of pumps, water tower operations in these cities are catered for by utilizing on scene pumpers - which are rarely in short supply...

In other places, like Denver and Phoenix, there are a few pump-equipped ladders or towers, which normally respond as truck companies but are "special called" when water tower operations are needed - which is, of course, comparatively rare.

The St Louis experiment was aimed at cost reduction, but was abandoned. The 55 foot quints which replaced the engine companies were rarely deployed as aerials due to their short ladders, were then replaced by 75 foot quints - which also proved to be of limited value - and finally reverted to engines again.

The British 55 foot PHP concept suffered a similar fate....

Added by Rob Johnson on 10 August 2019.
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