Fire Engines Photos

I think it is an F7, looking at the longish locker next to the pump bay?

Added by Rob Johnson on 17 May 2021.

This latest pic is 1950 Dennis F7 PE, EBA 858.
The earlier pic is 1954 Dennis F12 P, HBA 224, a special build with no ladder, later conv to PL.
Salford also had 1953 F12/Carmichael ET, FRJ 928

Ed: I knew somebody would know. Why delivered with no ladder?

Added by Roger Mardon on 17 May 2021.

Sorry, I don't know why no ladder. That appears to be the way it was ordered. Dennis WPO 40676, which I haven't seen, may give the answer. Anyone?

Added by Roger Mardon on 18 May 2021.

Middlesbrough also had both an F7 and an F12. They ran the 12 as the pump escape, as its shorter wheelbase made it more maneuverable, but the 7 was still configured so it could carry the escape if the 12 was off the run. Both had mid mount 900 gpm pumps but the brigade had their water tanks boosted because the original 100 IG tanks were felt to be a bit of a limiting factor. The 7 had 250 IG thanks to its longer wheel base while the 12 had 200.

Added by Rob Johnson on 19 May 2021.

Two machines which I am very familiar with, F7, EVH 680 and F12, MAH 580 were both delivered to their respective brigades without their escapes - which followed later.

Added by Chris Wood on 20 May 2021.

I can't find the photo I want at the moment but I am pretty sure HBA 224 was built without any facility for carrying a ladder or escape.

Added by Roger Mardon on 20 May 2021.

Very odd, because the Home Office grant in those days was - as Inderstand it - dependent on fire brigades operating appliances which met their JCDD specifications, and those for a pump appliance specified a ladder of either 30 or 35 feet.

Added by Rob Johnson on 21 May 2021.

Roger, I think the photo you are referring to is the one on page 50 of your excellent book, 'An Illustrated History of Fire Engines'. There was indeed no provision when new for carrying a ladder. You state that gantries were added later and it carried a 45ft ladder as can be seen in Petros' earlier photo, highlighted above.
I misunderstood the reference to it being delivered without a ladder but now I realise I knew what you meant all along.
It's just the small matter of remembering it!

Added by Chris Wood on 22 May 2021.

Chris, Yes, that's the one. Thanks for clearing this up and for the compliment on the book.

Added by Roger Mardon on 01 June 2021.

Better late than never!

Added by Rob Johnson on 02 June 2021.

Patience is a virtue.

Added by Roger Mardon on 03 June 2021.

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