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looks more modern than the scania g cabs which are over twenty years old yet its not a new design either , around ten years ago I think , lower with better steps than scania has , I heard these were put onto retained stations in the old dumfries and galloway area , strange when some edinburgh whole time pumps look old as do most of fifes , i am sure that problem will be addressed , seems the orders are 50/50 scania and volvo , I suspect some of taysides fleet will be shifted to the central belt in the fullness of time and I hearthat smaller pumps are being considered for retained stations , grampian did that for years with the 12 ton MAN some of which handily are 4x4 , makes sense , dedicated aerials are being mooted also , interesting times

Added by Donny Maclean on 09 December 2014.

There is a stack of new motors out the back of North Anderson Drive Aberdeen. Haven't got a closer look yet

Added by Westie7 on 11 December 2014.

So will the iconic white appliances be discontinued into a all red fleet?

Added by James Harris on 13 December 2014.

Although it is now ONE nationalised FRS here in Scotland, fleet acquisitions are currently continuing to be whatever vehicles are used in the area they are being posted out to hence the former Strathclyde area is scanny, Lothian & Borders is scanny, Fife and Central are Volvo etc

Added by Stevie Murray on 14 December 2014.

I believe they are three or four new scanias in red for old grampian area

Added by Alan Ramsay on 16 December 2014.

White appliances have already been replaced by red with battenburg in Aberdeen. There will be no more white appliances ordered. It remains to be seen wether they will repsray some into red.

Added by D.cruickshank on 17 December 2014.

Can't see that Volvo are going to Volvo area etc as Dumfries never were loyal to any particular make neither were highlands and islands Grampian have a split between man and scania .workshops have been reduced in number and now deal with several different makes.I doubt that full size appliances will continue to be purchased for retained stations either

Added by Donny Maclean on 18 December 2014.

Think I saw new Volvos at Aberdeen Workshops last night as I passed? Why does this one not have a Scottish a Registration?

Added by Andy on 24 December 2014.

Just wondering if these appliances are registered before heading North as according to my research KN is a Northampton registration. Some of the Volvos which Northumberland have purchased in the last year are also KN registrations.

Added by Paul Staniland on 30 December 2014.

There is 2 64 plates at cowcaddans I wonder way. There gowing 2 be sent

Added by Added By Mike On 4 Jan 2015 on 03 January 2015.

my understanding that one of them is going to alyth in tayside , one pump retained that gets 40-50 calls per year now thats saving money !!

Added by Big Wull on 06 January 2015.

Alyth is in Tayside which were all scania so it will be the first Volvo for years .my understanding is that the Volvo is several tons lighter so it must be the retained pump of Scottish fire and rescue

Added by Donny Maclean on 06 January 2015.

I believe the 2 Volvo at Cowcaddens are going to Gretna and Moffat in Dumfries.

Added by S.Bonner on 06 January 2015.

The reason Alyth are getting a Volvo as a modern Scania cannot fit into the bay without taken off the 13.5 ladder and the Volvo with the smaller wheels and height might fit better. They currently have do this with their current Scania Y302 PSP. Hope this clears this up?

Added by Grant Melville on 07 January 2015.

Many of the new volvos are going to wholetime stations too though, Falkirk and Dunfermline just recieved a couple

Added by Raf Firey on 10 January 2015.

Alyth have a w reg scania and it fits fine .the front and back doors have been levelled and they have had several including newer reserve appliances and they all fit and I believe that they haven't yet had to remove a ladder despite the fear that itay foul .hope this helps
All I was asking and now I see that in the old Dumfries and Galloway region that new pumps have been given to quiet retained stations there that the new regime must be at last giving these worthy firefighters decent modern equipment at last instead of eight to ten year old hand me downs

Added by Donny Maclean on 14 January 2015.

Alyths current appliance is W638OSP , it was at the station then replaced by Y302P

Added by Alan Ramsay on 14 January 2015.

Sorry Donny if you look up History of Scottish Fire Brigades Alyth are running Y302 PSP as from 2013. The 2 W regs W637/638 OSP have been running as spares in Tayside for some time now.

Added by Grant Melville on 14 January 2015.

I think the D&G region allocated modern appliances to their retained stations long before the politically correct scattergun approach now employed by Scottish Fire & Rescue came along. The current Gretna appliance has been there since new and the one in Moffat spent 1 year on the run wholetime with Dumfries, prior to them receiving it. Common sense dictates that new appliances should be used to provide best value to the fire service, not to keep politicians happy. Its interesting that the old Strathclyde F&R region has not received a single new appliance since the ill conceived inception of Scottish F&R and some of the appliances still on the run in certain retained stations in that area are way past their sell by date.

Added by Bomber on 15 January 2015.

grant I live in Alyth and can assure you that they are running W638 OSP and have been for over a year , it seems they will get the new appliance imminently and it should stop rumours of station closures once and for all , i know that closures in scotland will happen and with a two pump stations 4 and 7 miles away and another 1 pump 4 miles away this will always keep coming up , my best guess is the two pump stations will lose a pump , as I said at the top interesting times , I spent 30 years wholteime but appreciate the commitment retained put in and they deserve better , not only in equipment but training and salary/pension also, i ask all who read this how could we affors a modern fire service without them , on the continent and in the usa for instance most firefighters in smaller communities are volunteers and I know some very large german cities who work volunteers on a rota system some doing a shift a week for instance , its the way to go , I also see a place for them to be first responders in their communities saving lives whilst waiting on paramedics to arrive , I agree with bombers comments regarding strathclydes lack of new appliances and yes there may be some vote winners in there , tayside has given retained stations new appliances in the past and to be fair in an ideal world all stations would have decent up to date appliances yet as has been discussed elsewhere on here older ones with lower use can be kept a lot longer whilst busier stations should get to keep thiers for a shorter time with thenm going into reserve , must add some stations dont keep them as nice as they used to be either but then I have been retired for some time and things change

Added by Donny Maclean on 20 January 2015.

I am a great fan of fire appliances. I have just been told the volvo appliances wich was giong 2 gretna fire station won't fit in. o dear, I hope this will be solved. thanks Mike

Added by Mike on 01 March 2015.

This appliance (KN64RVO) has been re allocated to the retained crew at Dumfries due to not fitting in the station at Gretna

Added by Steve Bonner on 26 March 2015.

Does this mean gretna station will not get a up 2 date
Fire appliance mr bonner

Added by Mike on 28 March 2015.

I can confirm Alyth are not getting a new Volvo. There are 2 Volvo's Fll 290-E/one's KN64RVV/RVW seemingly going to station 07 Forfar RDS. Also 2 new Scania's P280/JDC SV64 AEP/AET Station 03 Balmossie and Station 04 Arbroath as the W/T machines.

I was down at Station 01 Blackness Road on the 18th and managed to get photo's of Volvo KN64 RVW and Scania SV64 AEP in the rear yard the other 2 were in workshops getting ready for going on the run. Also managed to get a photo o the IRU.

Added by Grant Melville on 29 March 2015.

Does this mean gretna station wont get a up 2 date fire appliance mr bonner thanks mike

Added by Mike on 30 March 2015.

No Mike not at this moment.

Added by Alec on 02 April 2015.

Mike, if you check the excellent website by graeme kirkwood this shows up to date appliance allocations.

Added by Stevie Murray on 02 April 2015.

The volvo was taken out to alyth station and it didnt fit! They were to get one but as for now its a 15 year old scania, happy days to forfar who in the fullness of time will be day crewed, are you a firefighter Mr Melville?

Added by Donny Maclean on 02 April 2015.

Can confirm that this is at Dumfries retained.Sorry Stevie I need to keep up with the times will update website shortly.

Added by Graeme Kirkwood on 03 April 2015.

Thanks 4 giving me that info

Stevie murray

Added by Mike on 03 April 2015.

Do you now if Gretna fire station will get a new fire station or get the roof hightend to get a newer appliance to fit in this station was put up in 1968

Added by Mike on 11 June 2015.

I see a few comments about Alyth in Perthshires station , they really are getting a kicking from their bosses, 3 years ago before I transferred to the then Strathclyde I was made aware that due to the stations condition and the the lack of height for more modern appliances getting in and out it was decided to rebuild the station with the appliance entering and exiting from a more substantial structure at the rear and the appliance bay being made in to a lecture room and the rest of the station rewired and modernised , this money was then redirected to the rope training unit which was built at the rear of Kingsway West station , so they didnt get the station upgrade and they cant get a new appliance as they dont fit and the new regime hasnt made its mind up on compact appliances as yet , thing is why did Tayside buid a rope training section at considerable cost knowing the new regime was going ahead in less than two years time denying a great oppertunity to leave a legacy of goodwill to the village but no they decided to waste money instead as the rope rescue unit is not getting used as there are two in near proximity which were established by other brigades which are all one now , about as bad as the carp debacle but worse for the crews at Alyth .........

Added by Jim Davidson on 26 June 2015.

Just flew over Andreson Drive in Aberdeen, looked like there were maybe half a dozen new appliances sitting there? Does anyone know what they would be for? A couple for Altens maybe? Then again they may not be new hard to tell from a few hundred feet!

Added by Andy on 29 January 2016.

Is gretna fire station going 2 get a scania appliance they r 10 10 in hight gretna r the only pump that covers the m 74 that has no stickers on side shuters and poor blue lights the volvo would not go in but I think this will.

Added by Mike on 02 April 2016.

There is some new scaina pumps at cowcaddans I hope gretna might get one for the m 74 gretna is the only pump that is not shevrand up for the motorway these pumps r 10 10 in hight the volvo would not fit but I think this will.

Added by Mike on 15 May 2016.

All the 16 plate scania's currently at Cowcaddens are going to former Strathclyde station's 11 in total

Added by Andrew Carson on 18 May 2016.

I thought all fire applince s that cover motorways have to be shevrand up. gretna are the only Scottish fire and rescue pump that isn't think of safty first to ho it consers thanks

Added by Mike on 05 June 2016.

The UK is one of only a handful of countries which do not rely extensively on volunteers outside large towns and cities, although almost all British volunteers are actually in Scotland.

Countries like the US, Germany, France and every other European country often have centuries of volunteer tradition, with many having fathers and sons or daughters attached to the same station.

Such a tradition will be difficult to replicate, especially when the retained on-call system is prevalent, and people who are on-call expect to be paid.

My local town in New York State had five volunteer fire stations for a population of 40, 000 and over 200 volunteers. They operated eleven pumps, three aerials, three ambulances, two heavy rescue squad trucks and five chief's cars.

The department responded to 1, 700 calls a year, of which around 500 were EMS, with the county EMS service providing EMS first response most of the time.

Members were required to respond to at least 25% of all alarms in order to remain in the service, and to attend annual training of one or more weeks every year at the county fire academy. The initial training was for six weeks, and this was compensated. Otherwise, there was no pay, but benefits included paid life insurance, disability insurance and dependent survivor provisions.

The absence of payroll expense - which is usually around 70% of the total cost of a full-time fire service - meant that we could afford multiple fire stations and a large fleet of modern equipment. When my own house got on fire, the first pump was on scene within six minutes.

The county, Nassau County, had a population of 1.4 million and was protected by 190 volunteer fire companies. Only one employed any full-time responders.

Added by Rob Johnson on 10 June 2016.

The scania appliance is a nice pum. Does mr s bonner know if there s going to get any volvo appliance's. thanks.

Added by Mike on 25 July 2016.

Do u now when west area r getting any new pumps gretna s was on blue lights on , m 74 and couldn't pass wagon to s bonner

Added by Mike on 28 December 2017.

Is west area getting any new pumps?

Mr S Bonner

Added by Mike on 31 December 2017.

Do u no if west area is getting any new appliances please

Added by Mike on 03 January 2018.

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