Fire Engines Photos

Not far for the first attendance then?

Added by Colin Duncan on 11 October 2013.

I'm sorry, but 8 machines! It's a boat not the Titanic! If it's going that well it's beyond saving and will probably sink anyway. Just help it on it's way, lets face it there's no shortage of water.

Added by Matt Ireland on 11 October 2013.

Thanks John, a grand picture even if the circumstances were sad for some.
Regards
John

Added by John Stott on 11 October 2013.

would a small bit of foam not help here, and before we get into the environmental answer, just think now much toxic smoke was pumped out of that fire in three hours

Added by P Mc Donnell on 11 October 2013.

I would think the Environment Agency were on the scene at this quickly. The few boat fires in the water I attended over the years, the diesel burning off was their desired aim to prevent pollution!
Given that the toxins released from the laminate and plastics contained in the structure are just as polluting, it seems a daft argument to me at times.
Then safety elves love these incidents.

Added by John Stott on 11 October 2013.

Unless the good citizens of York drink their river water (which I hope they don't) this looks like a good case for a CAFS engine on their fleet!

Unburned diesel oil is not a recommended addition to the drinking water supply, either.............


Added by Rob Johnson on 11 October 2013.

Rob, we do get our water, as do other towns and cities around the area from this river. York's water is taken a few miles up stream from this incident. I read the diesel in the water was not the main concern, but the amount of foam used to extinguish the fire. Each appliance only carries a small amount of foam, I think this why 8 pumps attended.

Added by Paul Warnock on 12 October 2013.

Thank you all, hello John Stott hope you are well.
Rob re the CAFS, I heard from a very good source in the Humberside brigade some of their machines were fitted with it but the environment agency wasn't keen on them using so put a stop to it! (that may have changed now) Matt the reason for the 8 machine attendance was because of the risk of explosion and this was don't forget right in the middle of York!

Added by John Johnstone. on 12 October 2013.

Hello I confirm it was 7 pumps ( restricted ) that attended this incident. The reason for the make up was for foam and 1 pump for command support. Also because our water rescue unit was involved for Firefighter safety you get a support pump with that also. We don't carry bulk supplies in North Yorks so 5 pumps will give 250ltrs of compound. CAFS pumps would of been useful prehaps Rob.

Added by Keith Ward on 12 October 2013.

Thank you Keith for the info, was the command unit not available then? And if York fire station need any copies of my images from this as I have more I'd be more than happy to put them on a disc and give you them.

Added by John Johnstone. on 12 October 2013.

Hi John, the command unit is normally sent to incidents of 6 pumps and above and probably not sent as this was not going to be a protracted incident. We just use a pump as command support on 3 pumps +. Many thanks for the offer of images that will be great.

Added by Keith Ward on 13 October 2013.

Again thank you for the info Keith, I will bring the images on a CD to York fire station if you are based there.

Added by John Johnstone. on 13 October 2013.

CAFS is widely used in the US Germany Australia and increasingly in many other countries. The environmental issues have been well researched, and the only restriction in these countries is that it should be avoided in situations where the runoff would flow directly into drinking water sources.

Added by Rob Johnson on 13 October 2013.

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