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No: 27726 Contributor: Pete Matten Year: 2011 Manufacturers: Dennis, Merryweather Country: United Kingdom
1934 Dennis/Merryweather Turntable Ladder.
I have recently been asked via this website could I provide some photographs for the Glasgow Transport Museum and this I have recently done.The main request from the Museum was for pictures of fire appliances from the second world war,and post-war periods.
Since 1966,this 1943 Dennis/Merryweather 100'Turntable Ladder(reg-GXA98)of the Glasgow Fire Service has been on display at the Museum in Glasgow but has now been moved to the new Glasgow Transport Museum.The vehicles seen here back in February,2011 being covered in sheeting ready for the big move and was thankfully photographed by Bob James(Transport Museum)whilst on its own for this very nice picture.
For years this 1943 Dennis/Merryweather(NFS-order MW-141)TLP was most difficult to photograph due to other close-by exhibits,but this photograph kindly sent to me by Bob,and shown with his kind permission is finally at last shown in her full glory.
The vehicle will I understand be displayed at its new home with the Merryweather Ladder extended to the 1st floor balcony viewing area so visitors to the Museum can get a rather spectacular view of the ex-NFS/Glasgow Fire Service 1943 Dennis/Merryweather Turntable Ladder in its full working position.
My special thanks go to Bob James and all the staff at the Glasgow Transport Museum,good luck with the big move.Pete.
I have recently been asked via this website could I provide some photographs for the Glasgow Transport Museum and this I have recently done.The main request from the Museum was for pictures of fire appliances from the second world war,and post-war periods.
Since 1966,this 1943 Dennis/Merryweather 100'Turntable Ladder(reg-GXA98)of the Glasgow Fire Service has been on display at the Museum in Glasgow but has now been moved to the new Glasgow Transport Museum.The vehicles seen here back in February,2011 being covered in sheeting ready for the big move and was thankfully photographed by Bob James(Transport Museum)whilst on its own for this very nice picture.
For years this 1943 Dennis/Merryweather(NFS-order MW-141)TLP was most difficult to photograph due to other close-by exhibits,but this photograph kindly sent to me by Bob,and shown with his kind permission is finally at last shown in her full glory.
The vehicle will I understand be displayed at its new home with the Merryweather Ladder extended to the 1st floor balcony viewing area so visitors to the Museum can get a rather spectacular view of the ex-NFS/Glasgow Fire Service 1943 Dennis/Merryweather Turntable Ladder in its full working position.
My special thanks go to Bob James and all the staff at the Glasgow Transport Museum,good luck with the big move.Pete.
Barrie, following your original request to me, its been a real pleasure helping Bob James and the Museum in their request for the use of some of my pictures.Bob emailed me today to say they might all be used in the Museum for display purposes.
Added by Pete Matten on 15 April 2011.
Added by Pete Matten on 15 April 2011.
Thank you for adding this image Pete as I know the way it was displayed before caused a lot of frustration for visitors due to the congested nature of the fire appliance display.
(And many thanks again for sharing your images with the museum, I'm doing my best to ensure they'll appear in the Leyland Firemaster's E-Intro.)
Added by Bob James on 16 April 2011.
(And many thanks again for sharing your images with the museum, I'm doing my best to ensure they'll appear in the Leyland Firemaster's E-Intro.)
Added by Bob James on 16 April 2011.
It just shows how valuable sites like this are......a little knowledge.....(knowing a man who can !!!!) and some good will.....and the jobs a good one
Added by Barrie Green on 16 April 2011.
Added by Barrie Green on 16 April 2011.
Thankyou Barrie, I don't aim to know everything, but most of what I've learnt has come from just studying and researching things that are of interest to me.
I was only to pleased to help Bob in his request for photographic material and actually I've just finished researching and typing out some requested information for him.Better get that sent off now.Pete.
Added by Pete Matten on 17 April 2011.
I was only to pleased to help Bob in his request for photographic material and actually I've just finished researching and typing out some requested information for him.Better get that sent off now.Pete.
Added by Pete Matten on 17 April 2011.
I bet it was interesting to see the Leyland Firemaster on the move after standing still for many a year.
Added by Andrew Middleton on 17 April 2011.
Added by Andrew Middleton on 17 April 2011.
Andrew, my original correspondence with Bob(Glasgow Transport Museum)was in actual fact all about the Leyland Firemaster and its front mounted pump.The museum wanted pictures showing fire appliances in some detail displaying front mounted pumps which maybe they could use as part of an introduction to be shown with the Leyland Firemaster and its pump when on display.
I've been able to send Bob pictures of WW11 appliances, and post-war appliances with front mounted Barton pumps but cannot find any details or information on whether front mounted pumps were ever used on fire appliance before the war in the United Kingdom.
Come on all you experts out there, can somebody help me on my research into this subject.I'm sure Bob would appreciate this infomation which I can forward onto him.
Andrew, I'll find out whether Bob took a picture of the old Leyland during the Museum's move, and get a picture sent in if he did.Pete.
Added by Pete Matten on 17 April 2011.
I've been able to send Bob pictures of WW11 appliances, and post-war appliances with front mounted Barton pumps but cannot find any details or information on whether front mounted pumps were ever used on fire appliance before the war in the United Kingdom.
Come on all you experts out there, can somebody help me on my research into this subject.I'm sure Bob would appreciate this infomation which I can forward onto him.
Andrew, I'll find out whether Bob took a picture of the old Leyland during the Museum's move, and get a picture sent in if he did.Pete.
Added by Pete Matten on 17 April 2011.
The Barton pumps were supplied from the USA, where front-mounted pumps were commonplace on small-town and rural appliances. They were rated at 350 IGPM, which is rather low for a truck working in an urban environment. But they were cheap and very easy to install. There is no record of front mounted pumps being made or imported into the UK before WWII, but they were used in several European countries, including both Italy and Germany, where they were quite popular. Some German brigades fitted 800 LPM front mounted pumps on TLs, mainly to supply the ladder line when used as a water tower, but they were more often found on tankers. Italy had a lot of very small prewar pumpers with front mounted pumps, which were designed to be used in old town streets which were very narrow. Some of these were nothing more than a limousine-sized car, with a hose cart hanging on the back. Check out the Historic European Fire Engines site for more pictures.
Added by Rob Johnson on 18 April 2011.
Added by Rob Johnson on 18 April 2011.
Thanks Rob, you've more or less confirmed what my research into front-mounted pumps found during my research.Although these pumps were very common in many countries in Europe, Scandinavia, Canada and of course the USA where they'd been used since the early 1920's, I found nothing to indicate them ever being used in the United Kingdom until 1941 during the second world war.Thanks, Pete.
Added by Pete Matten on 19 April 2011.
Added by Pete Matten on 19 April 2011.
The Chubb Pacesetter had a front mounted pump did it not? Also various L4Ps over the years.
Added by Neal Glover on 19 April 2011.
Added by Neal Glover on 19 April 2011.
For a picture of the Leyland/Firemaster PE in the collection of the Glasgow Transport Museum take a look at picture 6231 by Niel McCarten.The pictures Bob's sent me show the appliance but only during the cover-up during the move to the new museum and not really a clear picture of the appliance on its own un-covered so I'll not be sending a copy into the site.
Also look under manufacturers(Leyland)and you'll come across a lovely old B/W picture of one of Glasgows Leyland/Firemaster Pump Escapes in action.
Added by Pete Matten on 19 April 2011.
Also look under manufacturers(Leyland)and you'll come across a lovely old B/W picture of one of Glasgows Leyland/Firemaster Pump Escapes in action.
Added by Pete Matten on 19 April 2011.
Yes Neal, but the Chubb Pacesetter came much later(1975)though then the Leyland/Firemaster dating back to 1958.There's some nice pictures of the Chubb Pacesetter on this site under manufacturers.
Added by Pete Matten on 20 April 2011.
Added by Pete Matten on 20 April 2011.
Hi Pete,
Just an update on this TL - it is now in its permanent position at the Riverside Museum in an elevated and extended condition, albeit both evolutions are low angle / short extension. Speaking personally it is so much better in this display condition than just sitting in the housed postion as per the last 30+ years. Once the embargo is lifted regarding photographs I'll send you some images, that you might want to perhaps post here.
Added by Bob James on 19 May 2011.
Just an update on this TL - it is now in its permanent position at the Riverside Museum in an elevated and extended condition, albeit both evolutions are low angle / short extension. Speaking personally it is so much better in this display condition than just sitting in the housed postion as per the last 30+ years. Once the embargo is lifted regarding photographs I'll send you some images, that you might want to perhaps post here.
Added by Bob James on 19 May 2011.
Hello Bob, thanks for the up-date and yes I'd like to see the appliance again now she's settled into her new home.I look forward to hearing again from you soon.
Added by Pete Matten on 19 May 2011.
Added by Pete Matten on 19 May 2011.
My grandfather used to drive that very one at Govan fire station
Added by Sam Wilson on 08 May 2013.
Added by Sam Wilson on 08 May 2013.
Dennis
Added by Barrie Green on 15 April 2011.