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Devon and Somerset Community Safety Education
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No: 26045   Contributor: Graham   Year: 2010   Manufacturer: MAN   Country: United Kingdom
Devon and Somerset Community Safety Education

Seen 25 November 2010 at emergency services show
Picture added on 28 November 2010 at 16:38
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does the vehicle serve any other purposes as it looks more like a major incident unit/command unit. Would be great to see this Turn up at an incident!

Added by John Mc Ateer on 28 November 2010.
Seems a bl---- waste of money in these hard times with all the cut backs and stations closing, etc, surely it can't be just a Community Safety Education Unit.
If so, why does it have blue flashing lights, etc?.

Added by Pete Matten on 28 November 2010.
Well said Pete my thoughts entirely ! it may have beacons etc to bring it under a cheaper VED and exempt it from plating regs ? it appears that not as many 'backroom staff' are being cut in my former brigade than the operational side

Added by Rick Loudon on 29 November 2010.
In order to get young people interested in learning about safety we have to first engage them. Like many of those who post photos on this site, young people are interested in fire engines. The modern fire and rescue service has to exploit that for the longer term benefit. It has nothing to do with plating and taxation. Bottom line is that this vehicle is as likely to save lives as any other appliance, it just does it in a different way. Contact your local fire and rescue service to see the many ways they now seek to save lives, you may be pleasantly surprised.

Added by Phil Martin on 24 July 2011.
Phil are you/will you be able to demonstrate that the CSE vehicle actually does save lives as you mention , I do feel that this is a very worthwhile excercise with benifits outside its intended role no doubt hoped for as well , however without showing reductions in fires /accidents etc you will not fully know if the considerable investment in this unit is actually paying its way , and indeed having the desired effect.

By the way I do recall an old fire prevention officer telling me that in a way every turn out was a failure to educate the general public , although he did of course realise that you cannot save em all he did leave a lasting impression in that good old prevention is better than intervention . But it is sometimes very difficult to get the various messages across .

Added by Gary Bolton on 26 July 2011.
Can I first start with a plea that this site does not diverge from what is clearly a high quality site for the benefit of enthusiasts to become a sounding board for the small minority who may seek to express their opinions on issues of perceptions towards Fire and Rescue Services.

I would urge anyone with a negative perception of the activity or decisions of a Fire and Rescue Service to contact that service and establish facts rather than exploit this site for their own ends.

I am pleased to say that the person responsible for this site acted promptly to remove what was a grossly defamatory response to my original post and I am happy to offer the following information in response to the above the post from Gary Bolton.

Since April 2011 this vehicle has been used for 20 events over a total 37 days and has enabled the service to engage with more than 6000 people who fit into our target audience, in this case young people.

The intention is for these young people to receive advice and guidance which will be of lifelong value and so evaluating the full impact of the vehicle is difficult in the short term. However our methods of engagement are continually being evaluated (we plan, do and review) to ensure they are as effective as possible and by using the tools and methods available to us on the vehicle we are able to engage with the young people and deliver our messages far more effectively than before.

As a service we do from time to time receive letters from parents who describe the positive actions of their children following community safety education sessions which has lead them to avert or deal with an emergency. I am confident that over time we will receive such responses relating to young people who have visited this vehicle.

For information the vehicle has a classroom at the rear with a video screen and range of multi-media. In addition it has a small pump and other items to replicate some of the features of a normal fire engine which assist in engaging and delivering fire safety messages.

The vehicle was designed by Firefighters based on their experiences of meeting and working with young people and feedback from teachers and the young people themselves. It is a progression from the services other vehicle which was converted from a water tender ladder, this vehicle also remains in use.

The vehicle can be single person crewed and therefore enables it to be used in areas where an operational vehicle could not be released. There is also no risk of a planned activity being cancelled and the cost of delivering education activities is minimised.

Feedback from both the personnel who use the vehicles and the young people (and their teachers etc) has been overwhelmingly positive.

Added by Phil Martin on 29 July 2011.
Phil you have obviously put a lot of thought and effort into this unit and it appears that you are already having some success in educating young people about the various issues surrounding community safty .

Clearly any costs savings that can be made by reducing expensive false alarms and by making youngsters aware of the risk from Fire can only be a good thing , I wish you well with this far sighted and inovative programme

Added by Gary Bolton on 30 July 2011.

I'm sure the 'motives are sound' but back to the original comments - why does this vehicle have audible and visual warning devices if it is never intended to attend an incident ?

Added by Rick Loudon on 30 July 2011.
I fully agree with Pete Matten and Rick Loudon on this one. D&S seem intent on spending money at a time of cutbacks, witness the Mitsubishi Lancer and the two "blinged-up" vans !!!

Added by Ian Moore on 30 July 2011.
Having seen this vehicle, I think it, s a brilliant piece of kit and if it saves just one life from fire or prevents one fatal rtc then its paid for itself, D & S should be congratulated for their efforts.
Who cares whether it has blue lights? They attract the kids to the vehicle in the first place. The Service is moving on so lets drop the politics from this site and see some more photos!!

Added by Avonmouth on 31 July 2011.

Any appliance that goes to any educational faculty or roadshow will be surrounded by kids and adults who want to see the lights and sirens! It Is another way to engage young people and to give it the realistic edge to give the look of a real fire engine! A lorry cab does not have the same appeal.

Added by John Mc Ateer on 31 July 2011.
The thresehold for return on the investment in this programme is really quite low , ie save one life as a result of educating young people and you have your return , I note Phil has explained that the programme is already reaping benefits , combine that with a reduction in false alarms and arson and you can see that this project will actually save money as well as lives , sometimes you have to invest to get a return it may take a while but there are long term benefits to this programme .I know that the costs of sending out appartus to false calls is huge add in the massive cost of arson and you begin to see that saving just one school from being burnt to the ground for example and you have saved the county much much more than than the cost of this project. Phil has pointed out the vehicle is fitted with Blue lights etc really to make the unit appear to be a formal fire apparatus rather than some boring old converted van... I think this new version works , its gives the unit the presence and authority that an exhibition type vehicle does not have and has been designed this way to help in getting these vital life saving messages through to its target audience namely youngsters thus the' bling' I can see that you have to speak their langauge to get the message across.

I can understand that on one hand this programme may seem like a waste but if you catch em young and can prevent issues later this has to be a good thing , we know preventaion works as year on year deaths from fires has largely been reducing as has the number of fires as well ,

Added by Gary Bolton on 31 July 2011.
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