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Tokyo Fire department Hino Morita Turntable ladder
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No: 15737   Contributor: Jacques Peter   Year: 2008   Manufacturer: Hino   Country: Japan
Tokyo Fire department Hino Morita Turntable ladder

TOKYO FIRE DEPARTMENT
TL30m - SHINAGAWA FS (2ND DISTRICT)
HINO - MORITA (2000)

WITH ARTICULATED TOP
(THIS WAS A TRIAL FOR THE TOKYO FD, TO MY KNOWLEDGE ONLY 1 MODEL IN USE)
Picture added on 03 March 2009
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Does anyone have any operational experience of using a TL such as this with an articulated last section? Are there significant advantages? At least one of this type (concept)is in use with a U.K. Brigade.

Added by Barry on 03 March 2009.
Great shot, Jacques - showing it deployed.

I suppose the articulating mechanism could only be of certain dimensions,
in order to telescope back inside the Aerial Ladder.

Certainly, a great idea to help keep the Aerial Ladder dimensions reduced
overall, where smaller trucks are needed.

Looks like these temporary, guyed, structures of scaffolding and fabric were erected for the trials, and a Fire Dept Open-House.

Regards, from Canada,
Pat_R-B

Added by Pat Rivers-Bowerman on 03 March 2009.
This picture was taken during TOKYO FIRE EXPO in June 2008. At Tokyo Big Sight convention center. Many demonstrations took place. The other TL pictures were taken last week in a commercial centre during a fire prevention campaign.
I know that Morita and Magirus are working together, Magirus were the first who developed articulated ladders, mainly in Germany


Added by Jacques PETER on 03 March 2009.
Barry,
I think there are two articulated ones in service in the UK - these being the pair with Cambridgeshire.

Added by Ian Moore on 04 March 2009.
Although I do not have any personal experience with articulated TTLs, I've heard a lot about their performance. One of the primary purposes of adding a 'Gelenk' is to give the user operational advantages comparable with what a modern ALP has to offer, whereby the classic structure of a ladder is retained. It gives firefighters easier access to spaces under roofs, and, perhaps most importantly, anything that is on the top or on the other side of a roof. The application of this concept has proved invaluable for firefighting in old towns (primarily in Germany) with narrow streets and tightly packed medieval buildings. Many fires could be extinguished quickly and larger ones were prevented from spreading thanks to Magirus articulated ladders. Now Metz-Rosenbauer also offers an articulated TTL, but I’ve heard that there are still some unsolved technical problems with it. As to the size of the ladder, the Magirus and Metz solution for making it compact is the following: the articulated section ‘sticks out’, while the whole of the 30m (100ft.) ladder is divided into 5 sections. Thanks to this solution, the length of the vehicle remains the same. Magirus ladders aren’t foolproof either, but this particular maker some has 15 years experience and it is probably the best choice (except ALPs, of course). Consult Metz and Magirus web pages for further details. The two Cambridgeshire ladders (Magirus/GB Fire) were mounted on MAN chassis, and are stationed at Dogsthrope (Peterborough) and Cambridge. www.firerescue.pl/displayimage.php?album=27&pos=6

In Poland, there are at least 4 such TTLs – 2 in Poznan, 1 in Wroclaw and 1 in Cracow.

Added by Konrad Nowak on 05 March 2009.
This is an excellent synopsis. It does seem these ladders have some clear advantages. Having lived in Cambridge, I can easily imagine the advantages of this configuration in some of the places where a turntable ladder may be needed. But I think they are still a rarity, even in Germany. I am very familiar with the Berlin FRS, for example. I do not think Berlin has any amongst their fleet of 41 ladders. Perhaps they are much more expensive than regular DLK 23/12, or it may be because they are not yet considered totally foolproof?

Magirus do have some innovative ideas. They also pioneered the Multistar. This is also illustrated on this site. It is a 31 meter tower (no ladder), with a short lower boom and a long telescopic upper boom with a basket. It is combined with a 2000 LPM pump and a 1500 liter tank on an 18 tonne two axle chassis with a full crew cab and full height locker accommodations, the same as a standard pumper.

This offers a similar capability to the 95 foot aerialscope towers so beloved by FDNY, escept that it has much less stowage for ground ladders. On the other hand, it is much smaller, and the specification includes a useful capacity pump and a decent water tank.

Given that the turntable ladder is a concept that is now well over 100 years old, maybe it is time we see some alternatives which really do add new capabilities without being too huge or too expensive!

Added by Rob Johnson on 20 August 2014.
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