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STAFFORDSHIRE F&RS, KIDSGROVE 2 Dennis
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No: 10728   Contributor: Yelp Bullhorn   Year: 2008   Manufacturer: Dennis   Country: United Kingdom
STAFFORDSHIRE F&RS, KIDSGROVE 2 Dennis

K772 DFA: Kidsgrove's retained Dennis RS237/JDC Water Tender. This appliance operated from new at Newcastle-under-Lyme before moving to Kidsgrove.

Once the mainstay of Staffordshire's fleet, this is one of only three Dennis RSs remaining in active service.
Picture added on 06 September 2008
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Most of the older sister appliances are operational in County Kerry, in the republic of Ireland. They are the sole pumping appliances or have a role as the reserve vehicles in 2 pump stations. Most have now gone past there sell by date, and are in dire need of replacement.

Added by John Mc Ateer on 06 September 2008.
John, as you said, the Kerry RSs are getting quite old now, but they are well maintained and in good working order. Because of its role as a 'papa 9' (Reserve pump) they aren't used much, and, as they are in good condtion for their age why do they need replacing? They do the job just as well as any newer appliance would for the little amount of work they do.

Added by Alex on 07 September 2008.
I know of firefighters that would much prefer one of these over a new Scania!

Added by Yelp Bullhorn on 10 September 2008.
Great detail of a "Pumper/Tanker" as rigged out, over in Britain; and a Dennis, too.

From this side of The Pond, would notice absence of Hosebeds; and then, have to remember to run around back for the Pump Panel.... and the Booster Reel is hidden in the LH Rear Lower Locker !

BTW, those coiled-up hoses must be "quick-connect"; the crew must be pretty adept at coupling them up, to stretch a hose-line.

Thanks, from Cnada,
Pat_R-B

Added by Pat Rivers-Bowerman on 11 September 2008.
Sadly, this is now the sole remaining Dennis RS operating with Staffordshire F&RS. And this is due to disappear very soon when Day-Crewed Kidsgrove station is demolished and replaced with a single bay retained station.

Added by Yelp Bullhorn on 08 March 2009.
Hi Pat,
You'll find that the lentghs of hose in the middle lockers are usually mixture of 45mm and 75mm diameter whilst the hose reel in the rear locker ( one on either side ) is actually the High-Pressure Hose Reel. The 45mm and 75mm tend to operate at a lower pressure than the HP reel.

Added by Stevie Murray on 08 March 2009.
Thanks Stevie:

Lessee, for The FireMan and us.... 45 mm is " 1 inch and three-quarter " .
75 mm is almost " 3 inch (well, 2.952 in, if you are counting) ".

Do you get the HP Reel pressure and the Fire-Hose pressures at the same Pump rpm's ? eg 2-stage centrifugal pump..... Or, is it just run one or the other type of hoses at a time - and adjust Pump accordingly ?

We need some Fire-Scene shots here (<:}

Regards, from Canada,
Pat_R-B

Added by Pat Rivers-Bowerman on 08 March 2009.
On the series 3 scanny that we have at our station, we can operate both the HP reels and the number 1's but all have to be on low pressure ( between 5 and 10 bar ) as the guys on the number 1's ( 70mm/45mm ) would be blown off their feet if they were to get the level of pressure that the HP Reel uses.

Added by Stevie Murray on 09 March 2009.
Pat - modern European fire pumps on most trucks are designed to deliver 2000 to 3000 LPM at 10 AT and 250 to 400 LPM at 40 AT. All of the newer types can deliver both low and high pressure simultaneously. Many also have CAFS and B class foam systems. The nature of most fires and European structure design and materials are such that the high-pressure reels are all that is needed most of the time. They typically discharge up to 150 to 200 LPM each.

Added by Rob Johnson on 02 March 2013.
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