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Cleveland County FB Dennis ET
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No: 5357   Contributor: Paul Warnock   Year: 2007   Manufacturer: Dennis   Country: United Kingdom
Cleveland County FB Dennis ET

DAJ 700T. 1979 Dennis Emergency Tender with Cleveland County Fire Brigade. Based at Stockton and later Coulby Newham fire stations, withdrawn form service in 1995.

Picture added on 31 December 2007
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Ahh! my favourite machine, This still exist's at Monte's scrapyard in Fencehouses County Durham. Or at least it did when I was there last (May 07), it is still relatively complete, although the front grille panel and the king pins are now missing.
It is still salvageable, and would make a wonderful preservation prospect!.

Added by Chris Hall, Teesside. on 07 January 2008.
Chris, haven't you just talked your way into this task ( or pleasure )? I think that I have some spare king pins (ex-Durham County for my F60 ET).

Added by Barry on 08 January 2008.
Thanks Chris for that information, It would be such a shame if it gets cut up for scrap. One of my favorites too I like the big old ET's.

Added by Paul Warnock on 08 January 2008.
Hi Barry, would love to take it on, except I don't have a bottomless pit of money to throw at it!I would however be prepared to get involved if someone else acquired it though.
At the moment I only have two part time jobs, both of which are unreliable income wise, so I don't have any disposable income at all. but it would be nice to see it preserved though.

Added by Chris Hall, Teesside. on 08 January 2008.
By the way, you can see a picture of this machine at Monte's scrapyard taken by me, on my website, 'Classic North east Transport by Mr Chris Hall'. it's still under development, but Iv'e got a selection of Cleveland machines on it. Eventually I will cover all the North East Brigades on it.

Added by Chris Hall, Teesside. on 08 January 2008.
This one is also on a pretty rare chassis, being an F133.

Added by Ian Moore on 08 January 2008.
So it could really do with being retrieved from Monte's and restored, couldn't it?

Added by Chris Hall, Teesside. on 09 January 2008.
Chris,

Can you please let us know when your site is in the cyberspace?

Cheers,
Frank

Added by Fire995 on 09 January 2008.
To Frank,
Hi, my site is now active on Cyberspace, you can find it by going to photopic, and looking under Collections or Galleries, and type in 'Classic North East Transport' by Mr Chris Hall. Iv'e got most of the North East Brigades on it, with plenty of my primary interest - Cleveland Fire Brigade.
I am also interested in North East Bus operators, particularly Cleveland Transit, so there's a section on that operators service vehicles.
you can also leave comments on too.

Added by Chris Hall, Teesside. on 25 February 2008.
Thanks Chris, I will check it out

Added by Fire995 on 26 February 2008.
Hi chris, just visited your site and it's excellent! could i as you a question please? the North Yorks appliances in the scrapyard, are they still there? where is the scrap yard and can anyone go and visit?

So, that was 3 questions wasn't it?, thank you for your help and i will keep visiting your site and i wish you well with it, best wishes, John Johnstone.

Added by John Johnstone on 26 February 2008.
To John Johnson.

Hi, sorry to disapoint you, but most of these Fire Engines are now history!
BVN966T & OPY793X were both taken in the early 90's and were at a Car Dealers called 'Dalmation Cars' of Stockton on Tees (Portrack Industrial Estate)the Fire Appliances were acquired in a vain hope to appeal to anyone setting up in business as a party atraction, (you know like the pink strech limos)
As far as I know Dalmation Cars no longer exist.
HHN500V was taken at 'Cochranes Coaches' of County Durham in the 80's, they also had one of the ex North Yorkshire Carmichael/Dodges, and an impressive Austin Sheerline Hearse! Alas all gone now, a housing estate is now on that site.
Monte's still exists, and he has several fire appliances there I don't know if SAJ658N is still there, but DAJ700T still was (visible from the boundry fence in Nov 07), and also the ex South Shields AEC TL MCU723 is there, as is a Northumberland Dennis/Miles. (MTY313).
There were originally two sites but the other now built over, had some real gems in it, I visited there once in 1983/4, and photographed VDN100 the former York ET which was still yellow, however, I only did because I thought it was a Telephone van, and it looked interesting!
I have over 19, 000 photo's in my collection, featuring everything from Railways through to Military Aircraft, (and everything inbetween)a friend of mine has got the unenviable task of of digitalising them for me, and he's done about 300 of them so far, so you might have a bit of a wait!

Added by Chris Hall, Teesside. on 27 February 2008.
Thanks for that Chris.
I wonder where North Yorks old appliances go now?

If anyone has any information, could you please pass it on as i would love to photograph them.

I only just remember VDN100, would make a good private number plate!, makes me wonder where all the old appliances go, let's face it, they aint easy to hide are they?

Thanks again Chris, keep up the good work with your site, and i will keep visiting, take care mate, John.

Added by John Johnstone on 27 February 2008.
To John Johnson,
The problem with pensioned off fire appliances us that most of them get disposed of in ones and twos, unlike buses where several individuals can be withdrawn in one go, here on Teesside, we used to have a dealers yard which sold all sorts of stuff, but like many establishments of it's type, now only
deals with lease cars.
There appear to be very few dealers which specialise in fire appliances, I only know of two - Vass of Ampthill, and the Irish yard featured elsewhere on this site.
Most of the early Cleveland stuff went to North East Bus Breakers, and much was scrapped, and again went in ones and twos, which meant that they were soon reduced to deriliction very quickly.

Added by Chris Hall, Teesside. on 27 February 2008.
I called in at montys flying scrapyard this afternoon, the front hubs brakes are now all have been taken off and sold.
The man is a comedian who owns the two fire engines, when I asked him the price for each, he said £1500 for the E.T. and £3500 for the miles Dennis.
He thinks the MTY Reg is worth a fortune not to mention Reg number transfer can only be done from a vehicle with an m.o.t. and a fire engines are exempt and if he wanted to m.o.t.it, The it would cost him a fortune in preperation.I think the limo band wagon has realy made things harder for preservation people.

Added by Dave Ross on 14 April 2008.
To Mr Dave Ross, Unfortunately one gets the 'It's worth a fortune mate'routine now and again. The MTY Dennis has been there for several decades now, and I was told when I first saw it back in the 80's that the reg was 'worth a bit' then. On the several occasions that I have been to this yard since, Iv'e always found the proprieter to be friendly and quite sympathetic to preservationists, rather than him being 'a comedian'. Also Iv'e never had any bother getting photographs of various vehicles. Try going round the Bus Scrapyards at Barnsley, then you'll meet some real comedians!
I don't particularly think the amount he's asking for DAJ700T is that much over the top. Even with the missing parts the vehicle appears to be 90% complete, Iv'e seen worse basket cases go for more. It depends on how much one values the vehicle's history as to it's monetary value. DAJ700T was based at Norton Fire Station for most of it's life, which is just down the road from where I live. I saw it regularly from when I was a teenager until it's withdrawl in 1995, so it means quite a lot to me personally and I would hate to see it completely dismantled. Needless to say, that if I had the level of income to support the restoration of this vehicle, it would be now getting restored.However I don't so I can't do anything about it.
Regarding the 'Limo band wagon' I understand various brigades understandably have a problem with time expired fire engines going around on 'blues and twos'and at least one of the Brigade's here in the North East, now has a disposal policy which ensures that all it's withdrawls go for scrap.
Iv'e never actually seen one of these 'Hire Engines' however here on Teesside, there was I believe a company which had a couple of ex London FL6's, but Iv'e never seen one.

Added by Chris Hall, Teesside. on 15 April 2008.
To Mr Chris Hall, I understand your how you feel about the cleveland E.T. as I feel the same way about the Durham E.T. When Dr Barry Hutchinson first gave the E.T. a fine home, the paint was faded and the bright work was dull, so I set to work with some elbow grease using T-cut turtle wax and for the shutters etc polishing soap then some good old solvil autosil. As you can see it came up lovely. We bring the E.T. to Preston Hall just about every year. This machine is fantastic to drive and I love the sound of the 8 cylinder Rolls Royce petrol engine.
I think that it would to see DAJ700T cared for in the same way one day.
Regards Dave.

Added by Dave Ross on 17 April 2008.
I'd like to add my name as being interested in DAJ700T - I think it's such a shame to have it wasting away.

Sadly, I've not got any spare money, however I have time and effort that I'd be willing to put into the restoration if someone was to acquire it. I'm a mechanic by trade, which would of course help.

Do you think it possible that some charity commission, or preservation group, would be at all interested? I'm thinking along the lines of the Heugh Battery in the Headland...

Added by Pete Gardner on 10 January 2009.
Hi to all interested in DAJ700T, sorry I haven't been back in touch for a while, but my e-mails have been playing me up! Perhaps the time might be right to set up a preservation group to save this vehicle? Problem is, I don't have any capital, however I have organisational skills essential for such a society as I already run a Bus Preservation society which has been going for eighteen years now.There are several people interested in Cleveland Fire Brigade and it's predecessors, perhaps it's time to bring these together? Opinions please?

Added by Chris Hall Teesside UK. on 17 January 2009.
Chris - I'm the same, don't know if my email got to you. I'm sure there would be enough interest, even if half a dozen of us wanted to?

I'm always contactable through my email anyhow, be sure ot put "Cleveland FB" or similar in the subject though.

Added by Pete Gardner on 19 January 2009.
Hi all,
As I write this on my blackberry I'm sat outside montes yard and I'm pleased to let you all know I have just bought the above vehicle. I'm hoping to collect in the next few weeks so ill keep you posted!!!


Added by Martin Norris on 09 August 2010.
To Martin Norris,
What an absolute delight to hear that you have retrieved this wonderful and important survivor for preservation! Mr Hutchinson Sir! those King Pins might just be required after all!

Added by Chris Hall Teesside UK on 09 August 2010.
thank you chris,

If anyone has any interesting information or parts that could assist me please mail me direct with a contact number and I will contact you. Many thanks!!

Added by Martin on 10 August 2010.
FAO Martin, Great to hear that you have purchased the old girl, my brother was with Cleveland FB for 28 years, and I remember her when she was in service. Can you post some current pics of her out of the yard that has been her home for so long. Thanks, are you based in the north East?.

Added by Gordon Smith on 11 August 2010.
Thanks gordon, yes I'm in the north east near darlington, I've tried to add pics on here that I recently took but they haven't appeared, only got shots from the rear as its totally boxed in.

Added by Martin Norris on 11 August 2010.
Hi all just letting you know this vehicle will be getting retrieved at the end of september, once I get it back ill give you all a rundown of condition etc.....thanks.

Added by Martin on 16 September 2010.
Been to see this today. Martin is on with rebuilding the front axle. One side is about complete, and the otherside is to be done. The inside needs a damn good clean and a lick of paint.

He hopes to have it driving in the next couple of weeks, and aims to have it on the road (albeit looking rough) by November!

Added by Davey G on 11 October 2010.
Just letting you know it is up and running and I am more than halfway through the project. I'm hoping to have it painted this year and might just catch a couple of shows or events towards the end of the year....

Added by Martin on 02 March 2011.
Good to hear your cracking on Martin, look forward to seeing the vehicle again.

Added by Paul Warnock on 02 March 2011.
Just a quick update...

after a few months of uncertainty where I actually sold it only to be let down be a total timewaster its now looking like im going to keep it and finish it off.work is coming along and it will be making its first official public appearance in its part restored condition on sunday 19th august at stockton fire station as I have been invited to take it along to the open day. still needs painting but its now on the road so things are moving forward....

Added by Martin on 05 August 2012.
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