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Mercedes  Econic ALP   North Yorkshire Fire RS
Fire Engine Photos
No: 40770   Contributor: CraigW   Year: 2017   Country: United Kingdom
Mercedes Econic ALP North Yorkshire Fire RS

YJO7ZFZ practicing Scarborough North Bay 13/09/17.
ALP , Iveco TRV and Volvo rescue pump make up Scarborough station's full complement of appliances.
Picture added on 05 October 2017 at 12:12
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Fine and quite unusual photo, obviously demonstrating how best to punish an unruly member of the service by dunking him or her in the chilly North Sea.

Is a TRV a technical rescue vehicle or something totally different?

Last time I was in Scarborough they had a Dennis F12 PE, an F8 pump and a Leyland diesel Merryweather wartime issue TL. That was about sixty years ago...

Added by Rob Johnson on 10 October 2017.
I have since learned that the "new" TRV in North Yorkshire is actually a slightly scaled-down and less well equipped pump appliance, designed to replace a full specification pump water tender, and be staffed by three rather than four, five or even six crew members.

This is intended to somehow justify a reduction in the watch at Scarborough to nine (if everyone is on duty) from twelve.

With only one person absent, this leaves four for the rescue pump, three for the TRV and a driver for the ALP. To describe this manning level as skinny is an understatement.

With a population of over 100, 000, this means Scarborough will have a very marginal emergency first response capability.

In the US - and almost every European country - a structure fire first response ranges from fourteen to sixteen personnel, with at least two fully specified pumpers and an aerial truck too.

Where does the remaining response to a structure fire in Scarborough come from? It certainly is not the North Sea....

If British fire services want to reduce payroll costs, why not do what EVERY other country I have ever heard of does?

Have a decent first response team to get to an incident fast with a fully equipped rescue pumper and an aerial, consisting of full-time paid members, and use volunteers to staff up the second pump and any additional specials.

If you have eight actually on duty, that is six for the first due pump and two for the aerial, heavy rescue, tanker or whatever else you will be dispatching. The volunteers can man the second pump and any other special, and if you have thirty volunteers on a two watch rotation you can rely on getting six to ten within five minutes.

If you have a TRV and it is out, there are still enough volunteers coming in to staff everything for a full first response, and the first due rescue pump can usefully respond immediately with five.

In Germany, many towns up to 100, 000 population have all-volunteer fire services, but these typically have hundreds of volunteers, several fire stations and a large fleet of trucks including many special purpose units as well as numerous pumpers.

How do they do it? Simply, no payroll expenses....

Added by Rob Johnson on 12 October 2017.
ALP and all above in good use yesterday fighting a roof fire in a three storey fish and chip restaurant.

Added by CraigW on 15 October 2017.
The North Yorkshire Iveco Tactical Response Vehicles (TRV's) have been deployed at Scarborough, Harrogate, Ripon, Malton, Tadcaster and Northallerton. In each case replacing a full size Rescue Pump.

More details are here:

There was 'consultation' on the TRV's which apparantly was very much against them replacing full size fire engines but North Yorkshire went ahead and deployed them. This has led to a reduction in crewing at the stations where they have been deployed.

I understand that since their deployment they have been 'off the run' quite a lot and instead of North Yorkshire's plan to staff them only with 2 fire fighters, they now must have at least 3 on board (possibly 4).

The Police and Crime Commisioner for North Yorkshire now wants to take control of the fire service, saying she can make £6 million pounds in cost savings. I wonder how?

Added by Pete on 17 October 2017.

Perhaps she has heard of the idea of staffing some of the fire stations with unpaid volunteers?

She does not even have to leave the UK. Try Peterborough or Scotland or South Wales....

Added by Rob Johnson on 19 October 2017.
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