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Scania Magirus  CARP KX59EWF  Cleveland Fire
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No: 40614   Contributor: CraigW   Year: 2017   Manufacturer: Scania   Country: United Kingdom
Scania Magirus CARP KX59EWF Cleveland Fire

Saltburn machine at house fire Marske 04.08.17
Picture added on 23 August 2017 at 17:01
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Nice set of snaps, GraigW. I've always liked Cleveland's fleet. I think it must be the white fronts!

But is my quick totting up correct? Eight pumps plus the Multistar to a house fire?!! And it's not even a big house! Why such a huge attendance? Cheers.

Added by Yelp Bullhorn on 23 August 2017.
Yep , fire was literally round the corner from me, I photographed eight on scene and there may have been a couple more turned up and went away.

Added by CraigW on 24 August 2017.
It's because uk gov cuts on fire crews Yelp 4 crew per machine now , down from six per machine and the white front came from the USA after a chief officers holiday , it started with the top half of cab and then ended up the whole front

Added by Ian mc on 24 August 2017.
You will see increasing numbers of multi pump house and building fires in the UK. Breathing Apparatus procedures have been changed with the new Technical Bulletin now stating that if 6 or more BA are in use you MUST go to stage 2 entry control, and that requires a considerable amount of resources, at least five pumps.

Added by Andy Fish on 25 August 2017.
Andy:- I wonder if the infamous Bain report took this into account. Their thesis was that as the UK was experiencing a gradual decline in fires, there should (obviously!) be fewer firefighters...

But it may be no surprise to learn that many countries have requirements for minimum manpower first attendance at ANY structure fire alarm.

In the US the NFPA standard is sixteen, but many departments routinely exceed this, and in Chicago for example it is 22 - and twice as many for a hi-rise or commercial/industrial structure.

Coincidentally throughout Germany it is the same minimum number, and Amsterdam normally dispatches at least sixteen as well.

In Portugal it is fifteen, as it is in Paris, but Marseilles sends seventeen, although other SDIS have their own protocols.

Swedish fire services are surprisingly content to send a first alarm assignment of only seven, while cities like Prague and Warsaw respond with between fourteen and sixteen too, with Brussels also dispatching fourteen firefighters.

I don't know whether the old Home Office A to D risk classification approach to first alarm response levels has been updated recently, but it used to suggest that a typical call to a house fire would get a first response of two pumps with eight to twelve personnel, depending on local manning levels.

This seems a bit light by international standards...

Ian:- Many fire departments here do have red and white cabs, but I have never seen a fire truck over here in red with a white front. I think Cleveland may have no parallel anywhere!

If you get a few minutes, browse the US pages on this site and you will see all sorts of color schemes and paint stripes. Some of these go back a century or more to individual volunteer fire companies' traditional manual or horse drawn equipment. But no red trucks with white faces!

Added by Rob Johnson on 25 August 2017.
I believe a former CFO brought the white front with him from Rochdale CB

Added by Neal Glover on 25 August 2017.
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