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No: 40301   Contributor:   Year: 2016   Manufacturer: Ford   Country: United Kingdom
Co-responder Car

4/12/16, Horncastle co-responder car at Xmas market, Bridge Street.
Picture added on 08 December 2016 at 16:00
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Maybe if the ambulance service spent more money on ambulances and less on rescuing people, trainig in ba, eg hart, then the fire service wouldn't have to do this, good service though it is, I have seen ambulance staff extricating casualties from cars and appearing on air ambulance programmes doing other rescue jobs which I find strange when I always thought we had a fire and rescue service and then we moan we are being cut !!!!

Added by Donnie maclesn on 08 December 2016.
Many countries combine both services, and indeed quite a few British fire brigades operated the local emergency medical service when I was growing up.

In France, all EMS are operated by the fire service, alongside the paramedic SAMU, and in Paris the BSPP even operates over 100 combination pumper-ambulances as well as regular fire appliances and a fleet of dedicated ambulances.

In many small towns, the fire station has a full-time staff of three firefighters who man either the ambulance or the pumper, with volunteers providing the back-up and/or follow-up cover. This means that either unit can be dispatched very quickly.

In the US, many large cities which used to have separate services have combined them, most notably New York. This has usually resulted in a much improved EMS service, as well as the integration of first responder fire pumpers to accelerate response times, as needed.

Something for the powers that be to think about?


Added by Rob Johnson on 09 December 2016.
I agree Rob, too many little empires have been built in the UK over the past few decades. It makes sense to have both services under one umbrella.

Added by John Stott on 21 February 2017.
We all know that the USA has pretty much cracked it regarding emergency cells with either the fire service responding with their own ems and a pump fully crewed as back up or ditto with hospital or private ems but the fire service is involved as the have ems capability , my point is if there is for instance an rtc the fire service are not turned out unless specifically asked for which leads to delay and paramedics extricating without equipment and this is so wrong and is leading to this ludicrous Hart ambulance waste of much needed millions of Pounds when the fire and rescue have this professional capability already. Why do the ambulance service have or need this capability , I see no need for them in ba when we have it or rescue equipment yes they should be the same service but they do love their little very expensive not needed empires right enough , Google ambulance service hart and watch the fire service sorry ambulance video

Added by Alan Ramsay on 22 February 2017.
I have read that London has a terrible shortage of EMS recruits, while at the same time the city is closing several fire stations and taking many appliances off the run.

Seems like a case for a joint service?

In Paris the BSPP has 83 medical runs out of every 100 calls. The others are RTAs, fires and various service calls. As I mentioned, over 100 of their trucks combine a light pumper and BLS ambulance capability and have a five person crew.

After the Princess Diana accident, fire service rescue units respond to all RTAs.

So does my home department here in Chicago. Both a pumper (which is equipped with EMS first responder gear) and a ladder truck, which has a full complement of hydraulic extrication equipment, will attend. The SOP is to position the ladder so as to provide a beefy traffic barrier to protect everyone at the incident. Staffing is ten men, plus a fire and/or EMS chief if the incident looks serious.

Ambulance response varies from one to four, depending on the number and kind of vehicles involved, and of course the PD also respond.

Added by Rob Johnson on 22 February 2017.
From what I have been told the Hazard Area Response Teams were set up as part of the new dimension scheme for casualty care in hazardous conditions, ie NBC following a terrorist incident. They are of course also available for other major incidents. There is one team per region with more in London. Manchester covers west of the Pennines to the Scottish border.

Added by Neal Glover on 22 February 2017.
Problem is these are now being used for Incidents that the fire service should be at, that is my point, they were supposed to be for terrorist or nuclear incidents but are used for Incidents beyond their remit and have been expanded, my own station responded to three medical emergencies last month all required the use of a defibrillator, the reason being no ambulances were available within the times required so to fill in the hole we are getting used yet they don't call us for say an rtc until they have tried to extricate themselves and failed, I know this is not everytime or every incident everywhere but it is happening more and more so it must be from their management, all I am saying is we should be cooperating rather than what seems to be working on different agendas and that would save money and be more efficient.

Added by Alan Ramsay on 23 February 2017.
My local fire station (E 13 and T 6) in Chicago is only a few hundred meters from my building. The engine responds routinely to EMS calls in the area, and is almost always on scene four to seven minutes before the nearest CFD ambulance can arrive.

At rush hour, when traffic is heavy, the gap can be even larger.

Chicago is not alone: FDNY and many other cities are sending EMS-equipped engines (or rescues or truck companies) along with ambulances, and they are usually able to respond before the "bus" arrives.

Some departments have quite elaborate medical configurations on their pumpers, including even accommodation for a stretcher to facilitate hospitalization, although these are rare.

In Germany, of course, all full-time fire stations have one or more ambulances, and some of these are alternately manned, so the EMS pumper is not normally found.

I love the BSPP "premier secours". (There are loads of photos of these unique machines in this site under France and Renault.) Now in its fourth generation, these have a stretcher compartment, extensive medical equipment, a 1500 LPM pump, a CAFS installation, a water tank, a high pressure hose reel, two one man hose carts, ladders, BA and a five person crew. Around 110 of them support an ambulance fleet of over 100 units and an additional 60 heavier pumpers. Every one of the metro Paris fire stations has at least one PS, and they normally form part of the "normal turnout" to any structure fire, along with a 2000 LPM pumper and a 24 meter (or longer) TL or AP.


Added by Rob Johnson on 23 February 2017.
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