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MNL 785 Commer Karrier Gamecock
Fire Engine Photos
No: 39937   Contributor:   Year: 2016   Manufacturer: Commer   Country: United Kingdom
MNL 785 Commer Karrier Gamecock

This unit survives and I believe was one of six delivered new to Northumbria fire service. As far as I know the body was made by 'Alfred Miles'.
Is in a reasonable state but has obviously been left outside before it came to me. Have had the engine running, it purrs. The rest of vehicle needs a complete go through.
Had plans to take of the body and turn put a flat bed and winch on it, until I found out how comparatively rare they are.
Picture added on 22 June 2016 at 11:13
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Not the most beautiful of fire appliances but now being so rare it would be sacrilege to even think about changing it into a flat bed lorry with a winch.

Added by Pete Matten on 22 June 2016.
Agreed.I think these six were probably the only Commer/Karrier fire engines ever supplied with their very compact factory crew cab, which was normally supplied on chassis for garbage trucks. It seems likely that it would have been a bit cramped, but presumably a lot cheaper than a coachbuilt job by Miles or anyone else - and it had front doors!

Although a novel idea in the UK at the time, building a basic box on a chassis with a factory crew cab was pretty much the norm in most other countries back then.

Added by Rob Johnson on 23 June 2016.
Although used as Emergency Tenders in later life (as seen on the side above the locker) they were actually Hose Reel Tenders (no main pump..just a rotary gear pump driven off the side of the gearbox)and were designed to carry lots of layflat hose for use in the Kielder forest in Northumberland...they were strategically placed around the county...this one was donated to the Fire Services National Museum along with a Dennis F9/Miles JTY 553...but that's a long story !

Added by Rick Loudon on 26 June 2016.
I have often driven past this wonderful old Karrier and hoped that it is in line to be restored. Personally I like 'the look', very purposeful and bold for such a small machine. Really hope it makes it, would be popular on the rally scene. Rarely see Karriers, let alone with all over red livery (as opposed to lashings of unfinished aluminium.

Added by John D on 29 June 2016.
The were designated Hose/Personnel Carriers and towed a Coventry Climax LTp.

Added by Ronald Henderson on 29 June 2016.
Cheers for the replies fellas. John D, were you the guy who knocked on my door a while back? we had a right chat :)... I still dont know what im going to with the truck atm. Id like to go to a home that would put back as it was supposed to be. But a thought came to me recently if I do take the plunge and put a flat bed on it, I could do it in a respectful way. In other words take the box and body off and restore as necessary. Store the box and build a bed for it without altering the chassis or body. That way when a crew comes along that wants to return it to a tender they need only restore the box and paint as original. Got to be better than left to rot.

Added by Duncan on 06 July 2016.
Hi Duncan, no it wasn't me. Can't really pull up on the bit of road in front of the house that I am normally driving on!

Added by John D on 10 July 2016.
Could I ask where the vehicle is based and what ££s could it be bought for?

Added by on 25 July 2016.
What sort of ££s would be required to give the old motor a new home?

Added by John Smith on 29 July 2016.
Hello guys, I dont check in here too often so sorry for the delay. It owes me around £1200. Happy to let it go at that providing the new owners intention is to preserve or to restore back to original.

Added by Duncan on 16 August 2016.
See pic for a restored one of these KJR136

Added by Craigw on 19 August 2016.
As of today shes on her way to her new owner to receive some TLC (that doesnt include flatbeds or winches youll be glad to know). Gotta find something else to fill my drive up with now! :)

Added by Duncan on 11 October 2016.
Great news Duncan, but got to admit I will miss seeing it as it used to be a welcome distraction on a dull commute. I take it the new owner has plans for restoration?

Has it gone far?

Added by John D on 16 October 2016.
Hi John.
Yep its taken a 260 odd mile step closer to home, somewhere near Catterick. The guy who bought it has previously owned another one of these tenders so that sounded good. As far as I know the plan is to get it mechanically sorted first, then start on the bodywork. I think ive done right by the old girl and the new owner sounds like nice people :). Hopefully itll show up at a fair or two next year. Keep an eye on the drive btw, ive something coming ;)

Added by on 27 October 2016.
I have a similar unit although a refuse truck; in Canada. I am in need of parts to restore. Any credible sources for same?

In particular seeking right front (looking from inside of cab out)aluminum step plate, but also other items will be required.

Added by Brent on 07 December 2017.
Rush Green Motors in the UK specialise in old parts and have acres of old trucks in their yard, see their website.

Added by CraigW on 09 December 2017.
Thank you Craig W for tip.

Added by Brent on 29 December 2017.
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