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2013 MAN TGM 15.290 JDC WSF&RS
Fire Engine Photos
No: 34780   Contributor: Stuart Purves   Year: 2013   Manufacturer: MAN   Country: United Kingdom
2013 MAN TGM 15.290 JDC WSF&RS

1 of 2 MAN WrLs just delivered to West Sussex Fire & Rescue Service.
Picture added on 22 May 2013 at 19:55
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I didn't know these had finally arrived Stuart.Do you know what stations their going to be allocated to mate?.
Shame the brigade have done away with the blue/white popular livery that made West Sussex appliances stand out from all the other brigades.This appliance now looks like so many of the other brigades nation-wide, a typical red truck with standard Battenburg markings.

Added by Pete Matten on 22 May 2013.
I have heard a rumour that STEYNING may receive a MAN appliance. There is a very steep slope down from the appliance room doors and the back-end of some appliances hit the top of the doorway! I agree with you Pete about the livery, but we may have to get used to more standardisation if county brigades are amalgamated.

Added by Michael Bissett-Powell on 24 May 2013.
Not a great fan of these big square cabs due to the ingress - egress with BA on but at least its better looking than some , for instance picture #34280 with its tiny wheels it looks frankly daft, bet they are roomy and quiet once in though , overall a nice looking machine with the chrome on the front and the neat design touches like the fluted panel on the rear cab, i agree about the colour scheme but if mergers do take place it helps to be the same, thing is if say england became like scotland a single service would they go for a standard fleet chassis , bet Dennis wish they had an order like that it might have kept them in the fire chassis business, and what would become of London Fire Brigade , there is a question

Added by Ronnie Mac on 25 May 2013.
The orange beacon on the back suggests this particular machine will be allocated to a station near an airport. So Horley or Crawley, or Lancing or Shoreham come to mind. But Steyning's not that far from Shoreham airport either, so could be their's.

And I too find the demise of West Sussex's unique livery truly disappointing. Such a shame.

Added by Yelp Bullhorn on 25 May 2013.
W Sussex have removed the pump from Horley, as a consequence Surrey have transferred a pump from Reigate to Horley. Crawley already have a MAN as their 3rd pump

Added by Adey Allison on 25 May 2013.
I may have been responsible for the Steyning rumour, but that was when I thought these pair of MANs were going to be on 12 tonne chassis, not 15 tonnes, - I'm not convinced this would fit at Steyning, especially with the high orange light at the rear, so we shall have to wait and see. All the recent deliveries have had a red and oragne light at the rear so it's not such a good clue as in the past that it would be allocated to a station near an airport. And yes it is a shame about the livery, cost and standardisation winning the day. It certaily will not go to Horley as that has a Surrey Pump now after the recent changes!

Added by Jon Godden on 25 May 2013.
Wouldn't be easier for the Boundary Commission to place Horley back in Surrey whence it came in 1974?

Added by Andrew Middleton on 26 May 2013.
The latest that I've heard is that the 2 new 2013 MAN's will be allocated to Worthing and Crawley, with Worthing's 11 reg Scania being tranferred to Haywards Heath, and Crawley's 11 reg Scania being tranferred to East Grinstead.

Added by Pete Matten on 26 May 2013.
The allocations & Re-allocations Pete mentions above are what I have heard also, the 04 Scania's at Haywards Heath & East Grinstead will move to the reserve fleet.

Added by Stuart Purves on 27 May 2013.
At Steyning's Summer Fair today I spoke to some retained firefighters: they confirmed that their "W" registered appliance will never be replaced by a new machine but they expected to have a Dennis Sabre passed down from a fulltime station. They did, however, think a new MAN might go to Burgess Hill, so watch this space!

Added by Michael Bissett-Powell on 27 May 2013.
I forgot to add in my last comment that a Scania has been tried in Steyning & 1 would fit with some sight modifications to the Amber & Red lights on the rear. A few years ago a Scania was tried in every station to see where they would & wouldnt fit. Only 1 station failed it could accept a Scania by kicking the L4T out.

Added by Stuart Purves on 27 May 2013.
Would a Sabre fit in steyning station?

Added by Danny Chatfield on 27 May 2013.
Wow just one. I would of thought it would of been more than that. Which one was it.

Added by Danny Chatfield on 27 May 2013.
A Sabre would fit in Steyning, an order for 3 WrL has just been placed. Don't be surprised if these MAN's get re-allocated once the 3 NEW trucks are delivered.

Added by Stuart Purves on 08 August 2013.
I would have to agree with you there Stuart. I spoke to a firefighter during Crawley's open day, and he said that no one liked them or got on with them and that because of that the order for more had fallen through.

He then said that he wouldn't be surprised if they where both replaced by the next batch of trucks.

Added by Danny Chatfield on 09 August 2013.
An order has already been made for 2 new Scania's to replace these MAN's, which were actually a part of a consortium in conjuction with Kent Fire Brigade and manufactured to Kent Fire Brigade specifications.The brigade don't like them but are now stuck with them and I can't see them staying at the allocated station's of Worthing and Crawley for very long.They will I'm sure be moved onto other stations once the new order from Scania arrives.

Added by Pete Matten on 09 August 2013.
So have Kent got some of these as well waiting to go on the run?

Added by Danny Chatfield on 10 August 2013.
Pete, The Scania order is for 3 not 2.
Danny, yes Kent have a pair of these also.

Added by Stuart Purves on 11 August 2013.
As far as I'm aware Danny, Kent placed the main order and took the majority of that order, but, West Sussex as part of the consortium accepted to take 2 appliances.Its not as good as buy one and get one free, but the larger the order helps keep the price down a little.Lets be honest, most brigades today do not actually purchase fire engines, or have much say in what they get it seems, the local authorities(County Councils)do that and this is a way of again trying to save money.

Added by Pete Matten on 11 August 2013.
Pete, Kent have only bought 2 im sure they are going to Strood and Swanley,

Added by Matt Brown on 11 August 2013.
Thanks Matt, that now solves everything and lets just hope the proposed stations in Kent like them, West Sussex certainly don't seem to.
I've no further comment on this subject.

Added by Pete Matten on 12 August 2013.
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