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Dorset WrC MAN WX54VVN
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No: 34571   Contributor: Colin Carter   Year: 2013   Manufacturer: MAN   Country: United Kingdom
Dorset WrC MAN WX54VVN

Many brigades are utilising the New Dimension Prime Mover's for in county operations. In Dorset they have purchased three WrC Pod's and allocated them to Christchurch, Poole and Bridport.
Picture added on 22 April 2013 at 10:11
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These pod-based water carriers have been phased out in many European fire services. The problem was that the pod system meant that the center of gravity was much higher than a purpose-built tanker, with resulting handling and stability concerns.

Added by Rob Johnson on 22 April 2013.
Rob, Yes I was aware of that although a number of brigades see this as a cost effective alternative to a proper WrC.

Added by Colin Carter on 22 April 2013.
Let's only hope this cost-cutting endeavour does not end in tragedy! The big risk with such a high centre of gravity is water movement when the tank is only partly full, such as when returning from a shout. This is even more dangerous than running completely full, because the water cannot move around if there is no air space.

This elliptical tank design exacerbates the problem, compared to a soft rectanglular cross-section, which is much safer - but incidentally more expensive to build.

I personally believe these pods should be scrapped. If they are kept, the SOP should be that they run only completely full or completely emptied out, without exception. They should also be speed-limited, with the speed determined by tilt-testing. Incidentally, even London's purpose-built DAF water carriers were never placed in service because they could not pass the standard LFB tilt test.

Added by Rob Johnson on 22 April 2013.
In my experience, it's always been standard practice in UK fire services to keep water tanks (including water carriers) full at all times (other than when in use, obviously), including returning from shouts.

Added by Mel Turbutt on 22 April 2013.
London's Water Carriers have been placed into service.

They are kept ready for deployment at Ruislip Workshops, and if required they attend incidents driven by a workshops driver who's been trained in EFAD driving.

AssetCo won the contact to provide this service, which would have moved across to Babcock when they took on running of the fleet contact

Added by Graham Brown on 22 April 2013.
I wonder if the DAFs have been modified in any way? They certainly have been sitting idle for a very long time! The idea that all six are in one location, so they are not dispersed to fire stations and driven by regular firefighters but only by specially trained drivers is informative in its own right.....

Fortunately, most of London already has low speed limits and few winding and hilly roads - unlike thev rural environment of Dorset, where the tanker pods may actually be useful, if they can stay on the roads.

Added by Rob Johnson on 22 April 2013.
London’s Water Carriers did indeed return to Crosslands and had modifications carried out following the incident where one ‘fell over’ during a training session.

As for being idle, they’ve been available for the last 2-3 years (if required by an incident commander) and they have been used. However, London prefers to use hose layers or water shuttles to overcome water supply problems on the fire ground.

As for the vehicles being based in one place, well to me it makes sense, they are a rarely used appliance, there is ample space at workshops to store and maintain them. There is a good road network nearby to the whole of London, and it means you don’t have an appliance sitting on station, doing nothing but generating daily test paperwork for watch personnel

The main purpose these Water Carriers were bought for, was to provide a water supply to the Incident Response Units (developed under the New Dimensions project) but they were paid for out of the budget of a scheme called ‘London Resilience’ which also provided other vehicles for the LFB fleet.

There were a number of other vehicles going to be supplied under this scheme – such as Welfare and Lighting Units – but they never made it beyond the planning stage.

Added by Graham Brown on 23 April 2013.
Graham

They are 2005 registered appliances (05 plate) making them currently 7 or 8 years old - if they've 'been available for the last two or three years' that tends to suggest they 'stood idle' for five or six years ? I haven't been to Ruislip workshops for some time now but, the yard was very congested every time I went there - the WrC's were stood outside and have never been garaged - not a good environment for keeping a new (at the time ) vehicle, - we all know how red paint fades in the sunlight - and we haven't even mentioned two extremely cold winters in this period ! - if vehicles are not 'seen' by personnel they tend to get forgotten about and not considered for use ! - There is also the issue that if they were required out of workshops opening hours there would be a payment issue for the 'qualified driver' to turn in/out on overtime !

The issue of doing nothing but generating daily test paperwork for watch personnel - is never an issue - the vehicle gets used - the crews get familiarised with the kit and the vehicle is always garaged and watered - thereby alleviating - freezing up and any downtime on turnout !

Added by Rick Loudon on 23 April 2013.
The London story sounds like a bad idea poorly executed. But the answer is not elliptical pods on three-axle prime movers. If you look at modern foam pods, the best designs have rectangular cells which are no more than about 1.5 meters high - also to keep the center of gravity nice and low. Newer purpose-built European water carriers are soft rectangles in cross section, for the same reason, and there is a strong trend to four axles to improve road adhesion. Body low, footprint high equals safe(r) truck!

Added by Rob Johnson on 23 April 2013.
Gentlemen!Why is F&Rs in UK using waterpods with this form of the tank? I agree with you, that they are topheavy. Is ther any buffles inside them? If NOT, dont drive around with them half-filled.In Sweden, the tankpods are rectangular, with baffles inside, to prevent nonwanted mowments of the water! And, the weight is an a lower point!

Anders F. Sweden.

Added by Anders Fallström on 30 July 2014.
All makes sense Anders. It is not rocket science!

Added by Rob Johnson on 30 July 2014.
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