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Lincoln City Fire Brigade ERF EFE 579 E
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No: 31713   Contributor: B.J. Redgrift   Year: 1980   Manufacturer: ERF   Country: United Kingdom
Lincoln City Fire Brigade ERF EFE 579 E

I took this photo at the Lincolnshire showground of EFE 579 E back in the 80's .
Picture added on 30 March 2012 at 06:44
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The very first 85' ERF if memory serves me rightly.

Added by Ian Moore on 30 March 2012.
Yes. Before they had the idea of using a set of front doors, a front cowl and a front windscreen to configure the rear of the crew cab.

Not that I ever heard of any brigade running their Snorkel with anyone in the rear seats anyway!

Added by Rob Johnson on 19 October 2017.
London with three on board www.youtube.com/watch?v=flEKXpKsJjE. And I think Dublin Fire Brigade run with 1 or 2 in the rear of all their TL's:

Added by GearĂ³id Blake on 19 October 2017.
Blackpool CB who had a taste for duel purpose appliances had an 85ft HP pump as 2nd appliance at South Shore, I assume as a pump it ran fully crewed.

Added by Neal Glover on 19 October 2017.
Thanks - I knew London had both Dennis Delta and Shelvoke Snorkel HPs, but never knew that had any ERFs.

One feature of this ERF cab was that it had a dual front passenger seat, so a third crew member did not need to sit in either of the rear facing rear seats next to the engine...

Added by Rob Johnson on 20 October 2017.
This appliance and Scunthorpes 85'HP NFU 121F which was identical in style were HCB Angus bodied on ERF chassis..I believe it was only the ERF bodied appliances that used the dual cab ?..for a short while I owned former Bedfordshire ERF SXD 111L..(minus the booms and converted to a transporter)..see elsewhere on this site..it was converted from petrol to diesel and from manual to auto by Co.Clare fire brigade...however Bedfordshire forgot to notify the DVLA they had sold it so, all the time it was in Ireland it was still down as being owned by Bedfordshire but on Irish plates 73 CE 33...and when I applied to re register it it is was still registered as SXD 111L...just think of the parking fines and speeding tickets I could have accrued !!!!!

Added by Rick Loudon on 25 October 2017.
Sorry its SXD 411L not 111L !

Added by Rick Loudon on 27 October 2017.
Darlington's SHN999F ERF snorkel had the clever factory crew cab, and may have been one of the first. It was almost certainly the only one to have a Cummins diesel engine - a case of "parish pump politics" because these were built in Darlington.

It did not replace any other unit, but was an addition to the fleet, only a few years after the town acquired their also almost unique Leyland Firemaster Magirus TL, 999MHN.

Why a town this size thought they needed both a 100 foot ladder and an 85 foot platform beats me - I don't think they ever had an incident when they needed to use them both. This was perhaps just as well, as the duty watch was not configured to be able to provide two drivers in any case, if the first and second turnout pumps were on the bell anyway....

As for crew cabs, the ERF could accommodate five and the Leyland another six. But why?

Added by Rob Johnson on 30 October 2017.
I would like to correct you Rob, both the Firemaster and Hydraulic Platform were both used together at many major blazes in the town in both the County Borough days and Durham County including incidents I attended after 1980 granted mainly as water towers.

Added by on 03 November 2017.
Its good to know that by 1980 the Darlington fire station had enough hands on watch to provide at least a driver for both the ERF Snorkel and the Firemaster ladder.

When I lived there - on and off until 1970 - the watch was quite often down to nine. They had (theoretically) to man a PE, two WTs, the TL, the HP, a LR rescue and a second LR which was supposed to pull a TP.

At the time, the retained force was down to four, so there was not much in the way of back-up. In reality it was pretty much a two-pump setup, with a driver dropped off to man either the TL, the HP or the third pump.

Added by Rob Johnson on 09 November 2017.
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