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Bedford 4x4 Fire Engine RXP 884
Fire Engine Photos
No: 31181   Contributor: Tractor Paul   Year: 2011   Manufacturer: Bedford   Country: United Kingdom
Bedford 4x4 Fire Engine RXP 884

This bright lime green Bedford 4x4 Fire Engine was at Lincoln Steam 2011
Picture added on 16 January 2012 at 17:52
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This is the one that they made up to see if they could make the green goddess more up to date.I think it cost around £25, 000 pounds to do and because of that price this was the only one done.

Added by Mark Whiteley on 17 January 2012.
This 4x4 bedford R.L home office emergency pump was subject of a T.N.T truck care project at Marchington in Staffordshire. With the Home Office donating the appliance, T.N.T set about rebuilding this appliance to a up-dated specification the concept of this was to explore the possibilities of up-dating the entire fleet of Home Office Green Goddesses in stowage to extend their life expectancy into the twenty first century this including the fitting of a Cummins four cylinder diesel engine, up dated power take off and a modification to the transmission. The coach building aspect included roller shutter lockers, small flood lights for the lockers and considerable modifications to the cab interior with several mods being moved and updated, the colour was the design of a local technical college and was thought to represent the most striking livery for the machine it did see action in york in recent years with the floods. The project proved too expensive and not economical to extend to the full fleet of Goddesses and many months on the decision was taken to dispose of the fleet all One Thousand and Seventy Five, a considerable number found their way overseas as donations many had their valuable registrations removed for transfers and many have sadly been cut up with their chassis's being applied to a different use in third world countries for agricultural and for armed forces.

Added by BOB CARVER on 17 January 2012.
Is that a Stonefield on the right hand side?

Added by Andy on 17 January 2012.
You say many had their registration numbers removed for transfer to another vehicle Bob - I'm not quite sure how this was done (although I know it was !!) as in theory you cannot transfer off a fire engine as it does not fall into a class the DVLA allow a transfer from (i.e. a non MOT'd vehicle) and before anyone says they were MOT'd - try taking a vehicle to a ministry testing station and watch 'confusion reign'!

Added by Rick Loudon on 17 January 2012.
Yes Bob your right this appliance and about 19 others did see service in and around York, North Yorkshire in 2000 when the area was subjected to severe flooding. Some of the Goddess's were pumping none stop for days to keep water levels steady. I spent many, many hours for days going from one job to another with our Volvo pump and operating the Goddess's. Thanks for sharing Tractor Paul.

Added by Paul Warnock on 17 January 2012.
I have had a look at the other photos in this set all I can say about the one to the right of this one is a 4x4 airfield tender with "F2" in large white letters on the side but can't see the front

Added by Tractorpaul on 17 January 2012.
The modified GG is part of Steve Shirley's collection.... the Fire Heritage Network was due to have their AGM at Scampton in 2011 but because of problems it had to be held in another venue.....I was looking forward to having a good look at this machine, I would really like to have a drive of it......Please Steve !!!!!

Added by Barrie Green on 17 January 2012.
If you look at the Stonefield pictures on this site, they seem to have a different grille, and lights are not the same, so I don't think it is a Stonefield.

Added by Michael G on 18 January 2012.
These appliances were built to move large volumes of water. as well as the four standard pump deliver's they also had a six inch full bore outlet on the offside. this was used along with six inch hose from hose layers and pipe carriers. the pump when run at 3000rpm at 100psi would move 900gpm. as long as you put fuel in they would run for days on end.Did they have the six inch hose at York? there was loads for sale at Doncaster all new.

Added by Dave Price on 18 January 2012.
This is a former RAF/RN Crash truck Mk10 series see picture #25484

Added by Bobe on 18 January 2012.
Rick, Yes point taken this did cause considerable complications with the Ministry as these are in the category of fire appliances. To archieve this T.N.T Truck care had their own M.O.T facility on site with their own qualified M.O.T tester this was done in conjunction with D.V.L.A at Swansea, how this was done I really can't tell you but I do believe they re-categorized the role of the vehicle so M.O.T s could be carried out in accordance with the D.V.L.A registration thus enabling the transfer of the registration plate
hope this is of assistance to you "Rick"

Added by BOB CARVER on 18 January 2012.
I'm sure it was a Scammell Crash Tender like in picture #11509 or picture #21085 but can't be definite - I know Steve Shirley has one in the collection though ! C'mon you RAF specialists !

Added by Rick Loudon on 18 January 2012.
Simon fire tender F2 Q187RFE modified cab from the scammells

Added by Bobe on 18 January 2012.
Well I got the make right - just not the model !

Added by Rick Loudon on 18 January 2012.
Re transfer of reg numbers. The rules say the donor vehicle must have a current test certificate, the rules also list certain types of vehicles which, even if they have a cert cannot become a cherished plate donor.However fire Engines are not on that list and are soley precluded from being a donor by the fact that normally in a bona- fide fire service or private fire company a test is not required.
Fire Engines are not specifically mentioned as not being allowed to become donor vehicles. Reg plates were never offerred by TNT or by the successors when Marchington came back under direct HO later Prescott's office control. The selling of cherished plates initially took place when the Prescott's office put aside 200 to be donations to overseas countries and museums. 61 were allocated to the Rotary of Swansea Bay for a project to send 61 to Kenya. Some of you may recall the Rotary group advertised in various magazines for drivers to volunteer to drive the Ggs from Swansea to Harwich docks. Between the GGs being moved from Marchington to Swansea, the Rotary got them all tested and offerred the original plates on various cherished plate websites as a fund raising exercise. - As an aside- Unfortunately the whole donation to Kenya project collapsed and the GGs all bearing rereg numbers were moved firstly to an Army barracks at Grantham and then to RAF Scampton for storage. Op Florian then took them over and gradually shipped them overseas as donations to other countries. In the meantime batches of GGs for sale were arriving at Withams. The MoD asked Withams to select a small batch to go to the MoD sale site at Elmpt in Germany. A batch was selected that had numbers considered as ripe for sale as cherished and these were tested and re registered before shipment. the project was then extended to further small batches of GGs at Withams. Some private individuals who bought GGs from Withams bearing their original reg numbers also got them tested to enable the number plates to be sold as cherished. In my data base I have 90+ reregistered GGs.
Steve Shirley's 4x4 Crt was built as a MK10a, It was later upgraded by Saro and fitted with a new pattern cab and consequently redesignated a MK10E.


Added by Ted Angus on 19 January 2012.
Thanks for the very comprehensive reply Ted

Added by Rick Loudon on 20 January 2012.
I should have said - after the GGs were moved from Marchington to Swansea , the Rotary got them all tested. sorry old age !

Added by Ted Angus on 20 January 2012.
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