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Cincinnati Rescue 9
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No: 29740   Contributor: Andy Fish   Year: 2011   Manufacturer: Spartan   Country: United States of America
Cincinnati Rescue 9

A 2007 Spartan Gladiator with bodywork by General.
Picture added on 09 October 2011 at 20:12
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This is huge!!! I can't help but think there must come a point when the practicalities of running such vehicles out weighs their merits!

Added by Michael G on 10 October 2011.
It's certainly not rare to see Rescue's of this size in the USA, particularly in the urban areas where they perform several roles. Many volunteer depts operate vehicles just as large however.

Added by Andy Fish on 22 October 2012.
Isn't that a Rosenbauer logo above the cab door?

Added by Bill on 22 October 2012.
Bill, it looks like a Spartan chassis with a Rosenbauer rescue body.

Added by Michael Feldman on 23 October 2012.
Spartan and Rosenbauer are one and the same in the USA, they are partners. The body on the Cincinnati Rescue was built by General.

Added by Andy Fish on 23 October 2012.
It appears that my last reply was somewhat dated. As of earlier this year Spartan no longers offers its chassis/cab range to every bodybuilder including Rosenbauer. As the Cincinnati Rescue has a body built by General I'm not sure what the Rosenbauer input was.

Added by Andy Fish on 23 October 2012.
As of the present time Spartan build chassis/cabs and another company in the groups, Spartan ERV will body these. EVI was formed by the merger of the former Luverne and Quality brands.
Spartan will only supply a chassis/cab to apparatus builders who do not build their own chassis/cab.
In 2007 when the Cincinnati Rescues were built joint venture between Spartan, Rosenbauer and General were still happening.

Added by Andy Fish on 23 October 2012.
Andy I must disagree with you. Spartan and Rosenbaur ARE NOT one and the same. Spartan is a separate corporation. Rosenbaur does use a Spartan chassis when the customer orders their vehicle as such.

Added by John Harris on 23 October 2012.
Rosenbauer partnered with General Safety of Wyoming, MN in the mid 1990ies, a few years later a similar partnership was formed between Rosenbauer and Central States Fire Apparatus of Lyons, SD. Another addition to the group was R.K. Aerials.
Not having a custom chassis and cab most of Rosenbauer America's custom built engines were built on Spartan chassis. With the introduction of the Rosenbauer's own custom chassis earlier this year and due to Spartan's policy not to sell to manufacturers who have their own chassis this collaboration will end as soon as contracts allow.
So as John already said: Rosenbauer and Spartan are not the same and never were.

Added by Martin on 23 October 2012.
Yes, I got my wires crossed on that one. Martin is correct with his information, Spartan will only supply a chassis/cab to a bodybuilder.

Added by Andy Fish on 24 October 2012.
These rescue trucks are no longer than a typical tandem axle 100 foot tower ladder or quint, which are quite commonoplace here in the US. They often have to carry an amazing amount of equipment, sometimes including dive gear, rescue boats, hazmat suits and containment items, and in some departments they also have a pump, tank and hoses. The trend here is to add more and more roles and equipment to a smaller number of vehicles, so that the departments can avoid dispersing too many single-purpose special units around their response area.

Quite a few (eg FDNY Rescue 2) are built in heavy-gage stainless steel, to withstand building collapse situations. This results in them being very heavy. Needing a 450 HP engine to move it quickly, R2 is near the top of the power curve for everyday road vehicles - and it may have the biggest ventilated dual disc brakes ever!

Added by Rob Johnson on 24 October 2012.
Rob the Rescue 2 FDNY you mention is that the new Ferrara truck or the Pierce ....just curious thats all

Added by Gary bolton on 26 October 2012.
Gary, I suspect that Rob means the Ferrara's which went into service last year. Rescue 2 never ran a Pierce. The Arrow XT was with Rescue 1 and was a one off for the dept, the other four rescue companies in New York had E One Cyclone's.

Added by Andy Fish on 26 October 2012.
Rescue 2 is indeed a Ferrara, but I was also told that the bodywork was done by Sutphen, which - if true - would also be a first for FDNY rescue trucks. It has comprehensive close angle rescue and dive team equipment on board, including a boat, as well as the usual plethora of more general rescue equipment. For some reason, it also seats up to nine, although company shift strength is six members.

I can't see these FDNY rescue trucks getting any bigger! If you ever saw its station (it lives alone, without an accompanying engine company) I think you would agree that if its successor truck is any larger, they will have to rebuild the station.

By the way, a member tells me they have had a lot of trouble with the new braking system - I don'y know any details, but its not good news if you drive (or walk) in New York City!

Added by Rob Johnson on 26 October 2012.
Rob, The rescues were built totally by Ferrara.
Based only on my own observations I would say that the HME rescues were larger than the E One's or the Ferrara's, given that the body was about the same size but the HME's had a full crew cab.

Added by Andy Fish on 27 October 2012.
Rob, I am assuming that you have not seen the semi (tracto-trailer) "Tactical Rescue" rigs.

Added by John Harris on 28 October 2012.
Rob from memory I think that all FDNY Rigs are fitted with retarders which assist with breaking IMHO in line appear to be more effective than transmission based retarders, dics breaks on large trucks are subject to fade just as much as S Cam set ups . Again correct me if I'm wrong but did'nt one of the FDNY rescues have a ittle 'brush up' against a telegraph pole recently I hope this was not down to defective breaking systems .

Added by Gary bolton on 29 October 2012.
By the way, Rescue 4's new Ferrara is in picture #29180

Added by Michael Feldman on 29 October 2012.
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