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Squad 61 FDNY Never Forget 9-11
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No: 29446   Contributor: Andy Fish   Year: 2011   Manufacturer: Seagrave   Country: United States of America
Squad 61 FDNY Never Forget 9-11

Although not quite visible in this hurriedly taken photo FDNY Squad 61, donated to the dept by the employees of Seagrave, carries the words "Never forget" on its rear locker doors.
We must never allow the events of 9-11-2001 to be forgotten, or those who lost their lives, including the 343.
Picture added on 10 September 2011 at 17:00
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Fire Department New York, USA
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Hi Andy:

Even though I lived in New York for many years, I never fully understood how a squad company engine was different from a regular engine.

I believe the pump was only 1000 GPM, but otherwise it was never very clear how or why their pumpers were different.

The concept of the Squad Company was (and maybe still is?) that these Companies were a less extensively equipped Rescue Company, able to function as engine, truck or rescue personnel but riding what was originally essentially only a personnel carrier.

Do you have any deeper understanding of the "Squad" phenomenon?

Added by Rob Johnson on 25 February 2017.
Rob, My understanding is that a FDNY Squad company is effectively an engine company that can also operate as a truck company with an apparatus that is equipped to carry out both roles minus the actual aerial device that a truck has, be it a ladder or tower ladder.
I do not proclaim to be an authority on the FDNY so others may well be able to correct me on this but with just five Rescue companies within NYC I recall that it was felt that further "specialised" companies were desirable and as such the Squads were introduced to fill a gap as were.
Having had a tour of Squad 61 on the day that the photo was taken it is certainly the case that they carry far more than a standard FDNY Engine Company and as a UK firefighter (now recently retired) they more match a European "muliti role" type of apparatus set up for fire, extrication, haz mat, water rescue etc

Added by Andy Fish on 01 August 2017.
Thanks Andy. Makes so much sense that I am surprised this approach is limited to FDNY and a handful of other departments.

Here in Chicago we have five Squads, and two of them operate a 55 foot Snorkel as well as a conventional Rescue Truck. There are another two at O'Hare International Airport.

Added by Rob Johnson on 02 August 2017.
I've been told by a New York fire buff that Squad companies are a typical engine but with added Haz-mat capabilities.

Added by Yelp Bullhorn on 04 August 2017.
Rob, Over the last 15 years I have been lucky enough to visit dozens of US fire departments and ride with a good number. One of the first depts. that I rode with was Chicago, spending a night with E123/TL39.
I have always been impressed with the Chicago Fire Dept and the way that they operate. Obviously all depts. vary depending upon needs but I think it's fair to say that Chicago is unique.
As you mention all four Squad Companies in the city have recently been assigned new apparatus in the form of the two piece Rescue and a Snorkel, all on Rosenbauer Commander chassis/cabs. These new apparatus are pretty much identical to the HME's that they replaced other than the Snorkels no longer have a full crew cab. The one big change was Squad 7 at O'Hare. Previously they operated a Pierce Lance Heavy Rescue as a single Squad. However they have now been assigned identical apparatus as the Squads in the city although in the yellow livery.

Added by Andy Fish on 04 August 2017.
Hi Andy:

I know a lot of CFD firefighters and I do agree it is a very impressive service. Squad 1 on Illinois Street is close to my building and I have looked at their new Snorkel and seen it responding several times.

The rear portion of what would otherwise be the crew cab accommodates a small boat, which makes sense as the station is only a few blocks away from the Chicago River, and the new riverwalk has greatly increased the numbers of inebriated tourists falling in!

The older Snorkels only ran with two crew members anyway, even though they had a crew cab, and always turned out with the other four squad members on the conventional rescue truck along with them.

The new units are a bit longer than their predecessors, and some of the firefighters are a bit concerned that they have compromised their ability to squeeze into some of the city's narrow alleys and other constricted spaces, where the snorkels used to be the only aerials that could operate.

Squads 1 and 2 are very busy, because of the flexibility these units bring to working structure fires, but for some reason they remain the only two in the city itself - which has 49 full-size 100 foot aerials and towers. The other city-based Squads have conventional heavy rescue trucks but do not operate snorkels. The two at O'Hare are new additions...

CFD also still keeps an older 95 foot snorkel quint as a reserve. It is turned out with only a driver to multiple alarm fires, when it is expected that many aerial monitors will be in use for a prolonged time, to free up one or more regular ladder trucks.

Hi Yelp!

This is correct. Each FDNY Squad also has a HazMat "breadvan" tender as a tag-along for hazmat calls, as the engine itself does not have space for this extra gear.

This is a necessity because FDNY only operates one dedicated HazMat company, and of course it has an immense and often heavily congested response area, so it is not often on scene very quickly.

Added by Rob Johnson on 08 August 2017.
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