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Bremach L4P North Wales
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No: 25807   Contributor: Andrew Middleton   Year: 2010   Manufacturers: Angloco, Bremach   Country: United Kingdom
Bremach L4P North Wales

Here at last. One down, five to go. The new generation of light four wheel drive pumping appliances for North Wales Fire & Rescue Service. No body builder plate is attached and they were imported by Brands of Beccles hence the Norwich registrations. Unsure if Brands or Angloco supplied the bodywork. This on is AU10ABZ.

The other five are:-
AU10ABV
AU10ABX
AU10ACF
AU10ACJ
AU10ACO
Picture added on 01 November 2010 at 22:43
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Do I see Martinhorns (used in Germany) attached to the cab roof?

Added by Walt Davis on 02 November 2010.
Andrew, any clues where they will be stationed, I am the owner of PEY239S ex Bangor, Caernarfon, Amlwch. I am looking for photos of any of the 5 Gwynedd FT/6 RP.

Added by Gordon Smith on 02 November 2010.
Just been informed that Angloco have indeed provided the bodywork for the Bremach's

Added by Andrew Middleton on 02 November 2010.
Hello, what's the tank and pump sizes on this appliance please?

Added by David L on 02 November 2010.
Are these replacing the Pinzgauers? From the look of it I think I would stick with the 6x4.especially on the side of a fell. I wonder how it would behave in the Beddgellert Forest.

Added by Neal Glover on 02 November 2010.
They look very top heavy compared to Landrovers (Staffs L4P for example) I heard Chirk was getting one Andy is that true? Pinzgauers seem better suited. Take it they will carry BA etc.

Added by Gary Simpson on 03 November 2010.
Could see one of them at the back of Rhyl fire station this afternoon.

Added by Wyn Jones on 03 November 2010.
This is the one at the back of Rhyl. Unfortunatly, the days of helpful transport managers have long gone in North Wales, so I can't help with allocations. No their not replacing the Pinzgauers but Land Rovers and Transits at Chirk, Corwen, Conwy, Abergele, Llangefni, Amlwch I am led to believe.

Added by Andrew Middleton on 04 November 2010.
Do you know when they will be going on the run?

Added by Stephen on 19 December 2010.
Passed one this afternoon on the m54 - heading towards north Wales on the back of a tow truck.

Added by Wyn Jones on 29 January 2011.
Have any of these gone into service yet ? Passed the workshops at Llandudno Jct the other afternoon & you could see some transits parked on the yard. Have also been passing Corwen quite often this last couple of weeks & have noticed that their landrover has been missing ? Also one of the Bremach's is meant to be replacing the Renault at Llangollen ?

Added by Wyn Jones on 19 March 2011.
The 1st of Cumbrias are supposed to be going on the run this month. One of these is going to Keswick as their only "Major" appliance. Used to be a 2 pump station.

Added by Neal Glover on 19 March 2011.
Any idea how many Cumbria have bought and where else they will be stationed?

Added by Phil on 20 March 2011.
The ones I remember one each for Bootle, Coniston, Keswick & Patterdale. One maybe Alston and I think one spare

Added by Neal Glover on 21 March 2011.
I passed Cumbria workshops on the train 26/03/11 and they had a couple of Merc's compact water tenders facing the rail line any idea were they are fore??

Added by Dave Price on 27 March 2011.
There's 7 in total. Known allocations are Ambleside, Coniston, Patterdale

Added by Adey on 27 March 2011.
i seen one of these being reversed into the pump bay at LLangollen on 21/04/2011.

Added by Stephen Jones on 23 April 2011.
It's this one Stephen, AU10ABZ.

Added by Andrew Middleton on 23 April 2011.
Oh is it, I was unsure of the registration as I was to far away to see.

Added by Stephen Jones on 23 April 2011.
BBC News NE Wales reporting that the Six Bremach's have been withdrawn from service because of fuel leak problems. Apparently the Llangefni appliance caught fire. Have been returned to manufacturer for modifications, due to return at the end of June. Not a good start!

Added by Lee on 24 May 2011.
I do hope they have not yet cut out the tank tops and stripped the Landrovers they replaced!

Added by Neal Glover on 25 May 2011.
Article stated that the old appliance would return in the meantime. SO they mustn't have given them the chop yet!

Added by Lee on 26 May 2011.
The transits, Landys and Llangollens Renault were all at W/S first week in May in the Yard, one Bremach also "fell over" during trials, the crew doors have a nasty habit of opening on their own too

Added by Gary Simpson on 27 May 2011.
The MOD also has had a Bremach that fell over during trials / training I think all of the 5 they have are now withdrawn can anyone confirm this.

Added by Gordon Smith on 27 May 2011.
1 of the Landy's has definitely gone. It was recently advertised on a "well known auction site"

Added by Adey on 27 May 2011.
Six new fire trucks have been withdrawn from service by NWF&R, after one caught fire,
The Bremach appliances which are designed to help fire fighters, navigate areas of difficult terrain, were withdrawn after one ignited by fuel igniting from it's tank, at Llangefni on May 11th.
The full story appears in this weeks edition of the North Wales Chronicle.
Andrew.

Added by Andrew Wright on 27 May 2011.
So not a good idea if one is visiting a station that has one to ask what the crew think?!

Added by Neal Glover on 27 May 2011.
Gordon, the MoD Bremachs HAVE been permanently withdrawn.

Added by Bristol Bob on 28 May 2011.
Better off asking what they'd like instead.
Andrew.


Added by Andrew Wright on 28 May 2011.
Were these the vehicles, refered to in March/April as not being up to the job with the M.o.D?
Andrew.

Added by Andrew Wright on 28 May 2011.
The merc for Bootle cumbria is now on the run reg is PX11AFK.

Added by Dave Price on 24 June 2011.
Any news on Gogledd Cymru's Bremachs yet? The end of June is quite a while ago now. What about Pinzgauers as an alternative? The Gwynedd crews seem to like theirs.

Added by Neal Glover on 08 August 2011.
I am trying to track down a pair of Gwynedd crests 20 x 20 cms in size for the restoration of PEY239S, ex Gwynedd Land Rover FT/6 RP can anyone help. Many thanks

Added by Gordon Smith on 09 August 2011.
Neal, they're all returning back on the run slowly. Dolgellau's has gone back on the run.

Added by Andrew Middleton on 09 August 2011.
Gordon I think you might end up having to get some made as I've never seen any up for grabs.

Added by Adey on 09 August 2011.
There is a piece of video I think on YouTube of West Midlands Bremach turning out and there is very little rubber in contact with the road on one side as it corners. I have seen Porthmadogs Pinzgaur on the bell come off the cob and round the corner at Boston Lodge like an F1 car!
I also have a slide of Hull Centrals PHP coming round Queen Victoria with a 10 degree list, the driver was obviously used to it but it looked horrible.

Added by Neal Glover on 10 August 2011.
I was past the back of Angloco on the train today and what could have been the MOD ones were parked up. It was only a fleeting glance so I can't be sure.

Added by Neal Glover on 18 October 2011.
They have been parked up for a number of weeks now as I passed them early last month on the way to York.

Added by Dave Price on 19 October 2011.
I have put a video on Youtube of the Bremach turning out in the West Mids, and I thought it was going over! The crews arent particularly impressed with it and also claim riding to a shout in it, is like sitting ontop of jelly!

Added by Andy Daley on 19 October 2011.
Bremachs were reviewed by Malaysia for military and for Tropic Forest Fire Fighting purposes. They were rejected as having a narrow wheelbase and too top heavy for mobility on dirt tracks and hilly terrain. On roads they could not go at top speed either as their cornering ability was dangerous. Thus I find it amazing that they were even taken on for an urban/rural purpose in Wales with even windier roads and hilly terrain. Weren't trials even done before purchase?

Added by Nick on 20 October 2011.
I have just seen four of these Bremach's up for sale. They are the ex MOD models and have only done 1300km! Is this another example of the 'bean counters' being proved wrong again, just like the CARP fiasco? Best value, I don't think so!!

Added by Matt Ireland on 17 January 2014.
All stations that had landrover or transits are reissued with bremach Stations that have one are:

Amlwch
Abergele
Dolgellau
Chirk
Llangollen
Llangefni

Stations had transits but that not sure of having a 4X4 replacement:

Pwllheli
Holyhead
Caernarfon
Barmouth
Denbigh


Added by on 24 March 2016.
Could have done with a couple of 4x4, s last night (23.3.16) at Holyhead, the mountain went up in flames.

Added by Andrew Wright on 24 March 2016.
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