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Turn Table Ladder
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No: 2059   Contributor: Andrew Wright   Year: 2001   Manufacturer: Leyland   Country: United Kingdom
Turn Table Ladder

I'm unsure as to how much vehicle is under the ladder, I was informed it is a Leyland, I also understand the owner has a comlete
vehicle kept hidden and undercover.
Picture added on 28 January 2007
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I've seen this TL photo in a book before.In the book the photo shows this TL is mounted on Leyland chassis.There are possible chance that this TL was manufactured by Metz of Germany.

Added by Bomba995 on 29 January 2007.
Andrew, is this in England? It looks like a Metz ladder. I have been searching for a long time for the top section of a Metz ladder to restore OZ9607 back to 125'. I know that for many of people who visit this site they will find the recent pictures like this un-interesting, but for me these are the best. We can go and see in real life new Volvos and Scanias just by stepping outside.

Added by Barry on 29 January 2007.
It's indeed a Metz TL. In the UK between 1931-1939 around 50 steel Leyland/Metz TL's were sold. Most of them were DL26 or DL30. Only two DL37 were sold in 1938.
These were for Blackpool and Macclesfield. The one and only DL45 was delivered in 1936 for Hull, this machine is preserved. If it's a 125ft (37m) then it should be one of those two mention above.
Andrew, is it still there? If so can you check if there is a Metz plate with number, so we might can find out about this TL.
Bomba Boy, did you got my e-mails?

Added by Fire995 on 29 January 2007.
The ladder is/was in Trearddur Bay here in Wales, like you Barry this is the kind of photo I want to take, I will go past again for you Thursday maybe, when I finnish early.

Added by Andrew Wright on 29 January 2007.
The Blackpool TL never materialised. It was to have gone on to the Leyland BFR 700, but with the outbreak of war, Metz were obviously not going to supply equipment to the UK, and that is why the Leyland materialised as an ET instead.

Added by Ian Moore on 19 December 2009.
An update on this. Speaking to the owner and he was telling me he had cut it up. He still has the second machine.
Andrew.

Added by Andrew Wright on 18 January 2010.
If anyone is still interested, I thought this ladder had been cut up and got rid of, it is still there however has folded in half. The owner has died and I have no idea as to what will happen to the ladder and chassis.
Andrew.

Added by Andrew Wright on 24 September 2011.
Does anyone know what became of Leyland/ Metz T.L. EMX 122. This appliance was delivered to Willesden Fire Brigade in the late 1930s, then served with the NFS and subsequently with Middlesex Fire Brigade. According to 'The Fire Brigade Handbook', it was destroyed in a fire in 1964; however, I saw it at a rally in 1976, so this is not correct. I have heard that it suffered some fire damage in the late 1970s, and was then sold to an enthusiast, in Wales, as a source of spare parts for another Leyland/ Metz which he owned. I am wondering whether the appliance in this photograph is EMX 122?

Added by Bill Edwards on 05 June 2013.
If it's the same engine it survives in North Wales. And yes it has suffered fire damage but not extensive.

Added by Andrew Wright on 05 June 2013.
There was a rumour that two Liverpool Leyland/Metz TL's were residing in the Trearddur Bay area in the 1990's. EKA 342 was one of them, but I never heard anymore about them.

Added by Andrew Middleton on 06 June 2013.
Sounds as though it is, indeed, EMX 122. Is there any chance that someone could salvage it and restore it?

Added by Bill Edwards on 06 June 2013.
The owner died two years ago, unsure of the vehicle's status atm, The vehicle does not need salvaging just repair.

Added by Andrew Wright on 07 June 2013.
Is it possible that you could investigate whether or not anyone still owns this appliance. I stand to be corrected, but I understand that if it has been abandoned anyone may take possession of it.

Added by Bill Edwards on 07 June 2013.
This vehicle pictured is one of the Liverpool Metz's - I believe it was purchased to provide a source of spares for the other Leyland TLM which is indeed EMX 122 which is in secure accommodation close to this vehicle - it has suffered fire damage to the rear end although this appears relativly superficial - it has scorched the turret though so plenty of oil seals will be suspect - it was written off by the insurance company as 'beyond economical repair' so was sold as salvage .... as has been stated previously the owner passed away a couple of years ago !

Added by Rick Loudon on 07 June 2013.
EKC 982 she is then. So sad to see her like this after what she went through in her service. Still, we can't save everything.

Added by Andrew Middleton on 08 June 2013.
Bill

Sorry to dash your hopes of claiming EMX .... it is indeed true that the owner of both vehicles has passed away - however he is survived by his wife and the estate has obviously passed to her - the TL in the picture (which I believe is EKC 982 - by a process of simple deduction EKA is preserved and I've seen it - and KF .... with a wooden ladder is in the Metz museum in Germany)is now minus most of its ladder as it has collapsed through being totally rotten having been stood within 100 yards of the Irish Sea for a number of years !

EMX was advertised for sale on behalf of the widow by the 'Leyland Society' - a quick search of the net would provide the contact details I'm sure ?

If you want any further information email me directly by clicking on my highlighted name at the end of this paragraph

Added by Rick Loudon on 08 June 2013.
EKA342 is part of the Merseyside fire museum and is kept in the Liverpool museum large object store at the back of kikdale fire station. Last time I saw it out was for a firefighters funeral a few years ago.

Added by Dave Price on 09 June 2013.
I have a picture of EKC982 in all it's glory outside Essex Street fire station Liverpool. sorry I can't post it as it belongs to Merseyside fire museum and they hold the copyright.

Added by Dave Price on 09 June 2013.
Thanks for this, Rick. I am very pleased to learn that EMX 122 is alive and well. Having looked more closely at the photos of the derelict appliance, I can see that it has a 5- section ladder, whereas I recall trhat EMX 122 had a 4- section ladder. Obviously it was EKC 982 which suffered fire damage, and was bought to provide spare parts for EMX 122. I have E- mailed the Leyland Society, requesting further information. In 1976, when I was six years old, I saw EMX 122 at a rally, in Crystal Palace S.E. London, and had my photo taken standing on the running board, so I would be very pleased to see this appliance again.

Added by Bill Edwards on 09 June 2013.
Sorry to have to correct you Bill ... it was EMX 122 that suffered the fire damage and not this appliance.... now this is only a guess ....and I'm sure someone will confirm or deny but there was a scrapyard near Chester 'Hollis of Queensferry' that had a plethora of pre war appliances in it - given the relativly close location to Anglesey it would be logical, but not necessarily the case that EKC came from there as an already derelict appliance (but not as derelict as now) to provide the spares for EMX 122 ! Good luck with your quest - why not post the photo of EMX in 1976 on here ?

Added by Rick Loudon on 09 June 2013.
Unfortunately, the photo of myself standing on EMX 122's running board, taken in 1976, is London Fire Brigade copyright.

Added by Bill Edwards on 11 June 2013.
Hi I work for Merseyside F&RS and also look after the archive. EKC 982 was sold in 1967 to a Mr Jackson of Hemel Hempsted. He sold it in 1971 to Tommy Hollis who ran a coach business at Queensferry , N Wales. He had this Leyland and an ex Torquay machine also a TLM2. This site had to be cleared for a new road project and I suspect that is when the machine was sold and taken to Trearddur Bay. Would someone e-mail me the location of the wreck of EKC please

Added by Simon Ryan on 17 June 2013.
I was involved with EMX 122 between 1971 and 1980, this being the year it became the victim of an arson attack in the place where it was kept (a pub car park) in Ponders End. It was, at that time, in preservation with the Enfield & District Veteran Vehicle Society, who had owned it since 1964. I believe that Middlesex FB took it out of service in 1963, although I could be a year or so out with that date. The day following the fire I went to have look at the damage which was, as has already been stated, confined to the rear end. The front end was undamaged and the vehicle fired up on the self starter with no problem. It could not be driven because of fire damage to the rear tyres. The Enfield Society then made the decision to "move the vehicle on" to a new owner and I was told that it was going to someone in Anglesey. I took a couple of photos the day after the fire and that was the last I saw of the machine ... 33 years ago! John Meakins, Hawley Kent.

Added by John Meakins on 18 June 2013.
Any chance of posting those pics John - the ones I have are not my copyright

Added by Rick Loudon on 19 June 2013.
I'll have to find them first! Also, the quality is not brilliant ... I had a Kodak 127 camera then. Bear with me.

Added by John Meakins on 19 June 2013.
Right after a request to go and see the Metz again I went out this morning. I asked to take a photo of the one above, this request was granted. However I was unable to gain any info on the second machine inside.


Added by Andrew Wright on 04 July 2013.
Has emx122 been saved as I would like to know as I was also involved with this appliance in the 1970s as a member of the club that owned it.

Added by Mw Gilbert on 19 June 2015.
I was told, yesterday, that EMX 122 is still in Wales.

Added by Bill Edwards on 21 August 2016.
is emx 122 alive and well as shown AS BEING TAXED IF SO WHERE IS SHE NOW

Added by MW GILBERT on 12 March 2019.
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