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Commer Miles Water Tender
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No: 18655   Contributor: Barrie Green   Year: 2009   Manufacturer: Commer   Country: United Kingdom
Commer Miles Water Tender

A Commer Water Tender with a Miles body and a Dennis pump JDF 234 B (1964) new to Gloucester Fire Brigade and seen at the Staffordshire Fire Engine Sgow 09/08/2009
Picture added on 09 August 2009 at 18:06
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Thanks for sharing this photo Barrie, Ive not seen this appliance before. Paul

Added by Paul Warnock on 10 August 2009.
Barry,very unusual looking Commer,in actual fact that front looks quiet ugly,great bodywork as per norm by Miles though from the 60's.Like Paul,I've not seen this one down south so many thanks for sharing with us.Pete.

Added by Pete Matten on 11 August 2009. would look very familiar with a Bedford front...wouldnt it

Added by Barrie Green on 11 August 2009.
The registration number is actually JDF 234D, there is a bolt holding the plate positioned in the middle of the D which makes it look like a B!
The bodywork is also a Dennis 'M' as Dennis Bros. had taken over Alfred Miles by the time this appliance was built.
It is currently for sale on ebay.

Added by Dusty on 13 August 2010.
No longer for sale and residing back in its home county near Cheltenham. Will be at Twynning bank holiday Monday then Cheltenham headquarters for final open day in October

Added by TONY FRANCIS on 29 August 2010.
Great to see "cindy" still goin strong. many happy times spent taking her to shows with my uncle.

Added by Steve Mann on 04 March 2011.
This Commer again seems to be for sale, this time at a Sussex Sports Car garage - it seems to move around and change hands quite alot. Interestingly there are a lot of very good interior shots on the advertisement. Having the driver and OIC climb in through the back and then between the front seats has always seemed a rather odd way of accessing the front cab!

Added by Michael G. on 02 August 2011.
Michael, its just a miles thing (or dennis m). When I had my F8 Miles, working on the engine required lots of contortion, having to be upside down on either seat and squished into footwells and whatnot.

Its one of the reasons I let her go.

Added by Davey G on 02 August 2011.
Hmm, My Karrier is bad enough to gain engine access under the seats but luckily it does have front doors. Kent Fire Brigade had lots of Commers / Karriers with only rear access, I looked at one last year for sale, but it did not appeal. Many of the Gamecocks were build by Carmichael, and some of the smaller Bedford TJ's (baby bedfords) were built by HCB, so not just a Miles thing. Cost cutting by Brigades I would assume played a part. The cabs are so cramped though, climbing through from the back is pretty awkward, even when not in a hurry!!

Added by Michael G. on 02 August 2011.
Having the No1 and No2 climbing in the cab from the rear of the cab was nor rare Michael......every single Green Goddess was built that way !!!!!

Added by Barrie Green on 02 August 2011.
True Barrie , up here in Tayside an no doubt many brigades had AEC Mercury?Merryweather TL's with just sliding doors and we had an 1960 Commer QX/Carmichael ET with crew doors only.

Added by Grant Melville on 03 August 2011.
This appliance was one of the last built by Alfred Miles near Gloucester which used stainless steel and various guages of alloy in the construction of their appliances completing a total metal fire appliance, they used techniques gained from their parent company Hawker Siddeley Aviation Group associated with aircraft design in the aviation industry, this is one of the later variations of the Commer Chassis which gives it this rather unusual visual appearance. Miles Engineering/Dennis Brothers of Guildford were and did work in conjunction with Hawker Siddeley and hence gave us the Miles Bodied F.8.
The Dennis M Series range of appliances were their budget market range of appliances targeting various United Kingdom fire brigades which operated Commer and Bedford T.K pumping fleets and wished to standardise on one chassis type the Bedford T.K Dennis M water tender/ladder was in my opinion one of the most pretty Bedfords ever built to a fire engine incorporating the complete original Bedford T.K Front facia with screen unlike many of the day partly incorporating the front features the appliance could be offered with slam crew doors or jack-knife crew compartment access on the brochure of the day representing this range we see a Bedford T.K/Dennis M Water Tender Ladder operating within a Scottish Brigade complete with 45FT Merryweather Ladder slam doors and complete red livery a real striking fire engine not to be confused with the Miles Product Range.

Added by BOB CARVER on 04 August 2011.
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