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Pink Engine
Fire Engine Photos
No: 1137   Contributor: Archie McKinnon   Year: 2006   Manufacturer: Volvo   Country: United Kingdom
Pink Engine

If you want to have a party you can hire this pink Fire Engine. Its original Fire Brigade was West Yorkshire, its now used as a Limo Fire Engine with www.station20.co.uk
Picture added on 30 July 2006
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They've totally ruined a nice appliance

Added by Briantwigley on 19 January 2007.
I agree with Brian's comments - totally ruined! Why pink???

Added by TazFire on 20 May 2007.
This is sadly how things are progressing and if any more proof is needed look on Ebay
This i think will end up ruining our privalages we have in preserving old appliances
i hate the way people are converting historic or usable appliances to faceless annonymous people carriers destined only to make money for the mindless people that own them
i sold a fire engine to a preservationist and was very cautious to ensure his intentions were sound before i even let him see it
like i say it gives preservation a bad name!

Added by Jason on 20 May 2007.
One day when Im older I want to get an appliance to restore. I am only 15 now though. Sadly. Time doesn't fly when you want to be a firefighter...

Added by Ryan on 20 May 2007.
There is a huge commitment to owning a vintage appliance but its well worth it in the pride you have in it when its done and you are showing it
I was born in to a family that preserves vehicles and i was bought up with fire engines so it was more or less tradition!
get one as soon as you can but be fast as the laws on fire engines may change and as i said it may mean MOT as standard etc....

Added by Jason on 21 May 2007.
Fantastic idea great fun for people to be able to ride in a fire engine well done for a great business idea.

Added by Michael Jones on 25 April 2008.
That's the worst looking color on a ANY fire apparatus I've ever seen. YUCK!

Added by Thefireman on 29 April 2008.
Poor old thing, it looks really inelegant. Becoming a limo for rowdy hen parties etc is such an undignified fate for an old appliance!

Added by Adam Floyd on 08 August 2008.
Many brigades are scrapping redundent appliances now, partially to prevent them becoming limos, the general view is that they are bringing the service into disrepute

Added by Barrie Green on 09 August 2008.
Such a shame, theres some soon to be Ex-staffordshire appliances Id love to get my hands on, unfortunately theres not enough cash around when your a Uni student!

Added by David Sapsford on 09 August 2008.
ryan you could join a cadet unit ask about it at your local fire station

Added by Rich(larbert fire cadets) on 01 December 2008.
Let's not get to upset re this appliance, it's only a Volvo fl6, and these are still as common as muck!

Added by John Johnstone on 02 December 2008.
Some of us would say John, its the best thing for machines like this, and you are right, its only a Volvo.

Added by John Stott on 02 December 2008.
Only good thing ever about this appliance was it's body work, atleast it's still around and not scrapped more's the pity.....

Added by John Johnstone on 02 December 2008.
Please try and see the advantage of fire limos, if it was not for them a lot fire engines would now be on the scrap heap.
As a fire limo they are mot twice a year and also inspected by the local councils and pay heavy insurance.
As fire limo go you would never find a more road worthy vehicle or should i say ex fire engine on the road because the mot and regular vosa checks.
On a fun side i own 2 fire limo and do weddings for firefighters and also school proms for firefighters children ect.
Remember the fire brigade does not have a problem with us and i have to firefighters drive for me, and i do a lot of charity work for the cancer trust so all is not as bad as you all seem to make out.

Added by Michael Jones on 09 February 2009.
Strathclyde, as far i know donate ex pumping appliances to countries less fortunate than the UK.Fifteen J plate scanias were taken out of service last year, and apparently some were taken by Scania UK and overhauled before finding new homes abroad.Strathclyde now take the backs off appliances, which leaves only the chassis and cabs therefore should they go to auction then they cant be sold as appliances.Ex Strathclyde H102 YUS befell this fate and is now a tow truck with Dymock Recovery of Bathgate.There is a few ex Strathclyde scanias running around Glasgow dressed up as fire limos, which to me is no bad thing and maybe after their limo days are over they find their way into preservation.Does anyone have a pic of H102 YUS as a tow truck or indeed the old ex dennis appliance tow truck owned by MC KINDLESS buses Glasgow.

Added by Tommy Swindle on 09 February 2009.
Very positive there tommy well done.i did see a green scania tow truck some were north of edinburg i think that was H102. also Tommy look at my pics of the strathclyde scania i brought it is a limo but really great condition and i use it for preservation meets and also fspg meeting.
I reckon i own the best kept scania 3 series out of service.
Whilst on holiday in Majorca my mate came across h101 which is now painted blue and turned into a artic unit.if you are intrested in pics please let me know.

Added by Michael Jones on 10 February 2009.
I think that brigades should just give them away to third world countries instead of selling into private ownership to end up like this one as.
Many appliances, be it Volvo or Scania still have afew years working life
ahead of them even if a brigade does'nt think so, this is way out of order.

Added by Pete Matten on 10 February 2009.
Can any one tell me if crew cabbed dennis tow truck, NTN 870R owned by MCKINDLESS buses of Wishaw Scotland was once a fire appliance

Added by Tommy Swindle on 10 February 2009.
I agree Pete, seems that the altruism displayed by some authorities in exporting old machines needs to be adopted by more. But we all know that money rules the thinking of most of them nowadays.

Added by John Stott on 11 February 2009.
Why should they be given away its tax payers money pays for them, so they should be sold and the money invested in new appliances, saving the tax payer every little helps.

Added by Michael Jones on 11 February 2009.
Brian: The ex appliance is pink, but still in use, would you prefer to see it languishing in a scrap yard like so many others on this site?
Andrew.


Added by Andrew Wright on 11 February 2009.
Tommy,
Yes, NTN 870R was a Tyne & Wear job.

Added by Ian Moore on 11 February 2009.
Well Andrew, its not firefighting for a start, donated overseas it would be. Michael, you have a point, but many of us feel that to help another country build a fire service is a far better use for retired machines like this.

Added by John Stott on 12 February 2009.
Maybe John but fire limo are by far in a much fitter state then a lot ex fire engines and will also be around for a lot longer and are not on the scrap heap.

Added by Michael Jones on 12 February 2009.
Hi Michael, would like to see pics of H101 YUS in Spain if you could get a hold of one CHEERS, Tommy.

Added by Tommy Swindle on 12 February 2009.
could you email me tommy mikejonesrwc@hotmail.com

Added by Michael Jones on 21 February 2009.
Can anyone confirm that a fire engine DOES NOT require an M.O.T. when in private use please.

Added by Steve Toney on 27 February 2013.
British Volvo and Scania fire appliances quite often find their way in to fire service use in places like central Europe and south America, especially with volunteer outfits who cannot afford new equipment.

There are two reasons they are so popular:-
1) The Swedish brands are very easy to convert to LHD (although sometmes convertors forget to switch over the wipers!)
2) UK fire services tend to replace appliances much earlier than most other west European countries, so their fleet disposals tend to be in better condition than German, French, Italian, Dutch or Italian units. Often, these have already led a "second life" with volunteer companies or private industrial brigades - sometimes in different countries.

It begs the question why a UK fire service would typically push a Volvo or Scania out after only ten to fifteen years, when in any other country the same type of truck might be deemed to have a service life five to ten years longer?

In the US, many trucks have a "second life" as a reserve - available not only to replace front-line units which are off the run, but also to be ready for recalled off-duty full-time firefighters to operate if the need arises. Some cities add as much as a 50% additional firefighting resource in this way. It is very useful in areas where towns are far apart, when mutual aid becomes an awfully long wait!

Added by Rob Johnson on 27 February 2013.
Rob,

in my part of Austria replacement age for fire engines with volunteer fire departments has been upped from 25 to 28 years. As there is a lot of volunteer depts. here the individual tuck might be used less than elsewhere but it's nevertheless quite a long service time. Fire fighting here is besides bigger cities more or less 100% done by volunteers (very much like in Germany).

Added by Martin on 28 February 2013.
Steve, I think the essential part is 'use as a fire engine', using an old fire engine as a party limo does not (I think) fall within the definition of 'use as a fire engine'. However most fire engines are maintained to an equivalent standard if not higher because of the threat of litigation.

Added by Colin Foster on 28 February 2013.
When we get to a 25 or 28 year replacement cycle, we do not only have to worry about condition.

Many innovations have become commonplace in the last two or three decades, so the capabilities and capacities of these old units are often much inferior to newer appliances. But there is still plenty of evidence from all over Europe that 20 to 30 year old fire trucks can still perform adequately if they are properly maintained.

It does look as if UK brigades are probably wasting a lot of money turning over perfectly serviceable trucks much faster than really necessary, which seems counterproductive in this era of budget constraints.

Added by Rob Johnson on 28 February 2013.
I am the owner of RHN 999L, during its restoration I looked into the the M.O.T situation for a preserved appliance, I have now written proof from V.O.S.A that an appliance in private ownership, now falls into the same category as a limo as it is no longer in use by a fire authority. The V112G exemption form which you would fill in and send with your tax disc application has now been reworded from : - Vehicles designed for fire fighting and fire salvage purposes to : Vehicles designed and used SOLELY for fire fighting or fire salvage purposes, One word added but it would make a difference in a court case I would think.
If you would like the proof that I have, I will gladly send it to you via e-mail.
I would also on experience, say that if a Limo is going through MOT AND six weekly checks, if it is registered with a local council it will be maintained to a higher standard than a minority of appliances in private hands which are only out during the summer months and laid up in the winter. A yearly MOT would check for any faults and keep dangerous vehicles off the road

Added by Paul Staniland on 28 February 2013.
Rob, in the UK many brigades no longer own their own vehicles, many are leased, from companies such as Asset Co (which I think may have ceased trading or changed its name) It's usual that vechicles are exchanged while they are still fairly new, and retain a higher "Asset value" and therefore provide a better return the the Asset owner when they are sold on.

Added by Michael G on 28 February 2013.
Many uk brigades lease their vehicles now on a fixed term lease so go back to the finance company at the end of the period, my service has a 'strategic reserve' fleet of older pumps other than the normal 10 percent reserves......we can crew them quickly during the daytime using HQ based staff and recall to duty out of hours. This has happened a few times during spate conditions, large protracted incidents etc

Added by Barrie Green on 28 February 2013.
Many US departments also lease trucks, but most finance new trucks with municipal bonds. In the case of leased units, less affluent departments usually buy the off-lease units and put them into front-line service.

I now understand another reason Scanias are so popular in the UK - there is always a good supply of newer used trucks available for conversion to LHD and export!

Leasing is not always the best solution. If you only have to budget around a 20 to 25 year replacement cycle, the annual capital cost of vehicle acquisition goes down by around 50%, and there are no interest charges to be paid to the leasing company.

I have worked in the car and truck business since 1966, and there is no question that modern vehicles have a much longer lifetime than those built decades ago. It seems many UK brigades still think they are still in the 1950s when it comes to replacing their trucks.

Added by Rob Johnson on 28 February 2013.
Re MOT, pre 1960 - exempt , post 1959 more tricky if in private use.

Added by Peter McCombie on 28 February 2013.
Barrie - I am so pleased that some UK fire services are now operating strategic reserve appliances with recall protocols for off-duty and/or administrative full-time personnel.

It used to be that the old Union was dead set against this idea in the UK, and the last thing off-duty firefighters could do was to attend a fire! But it really does make sense to use local personnel and local equipment to back up the on-duty resources at major emergencies and to provide cover when the duty watch are stretched.

Many US departments operate this kind of supplementary coverage and most US cities have local residency requirements for firefighters (and other emergency workers). This insures a decent percentage of the off-duty roster are able to respond reasonably quickly.

Added by Rob Johnson on 28 February 2013.
I'm interested to know what those who disagree with reppainting fire appliances pink in their afterlife think about painting them pink whilst still operational! Don't think it could possibly happen? Then cast your eyes over picture #32431 to see what Merseyside F&RS have done to one of their Scanias. Shocking pink - but that's not the shade; it's more my feelings.

Added by Yelp Bullhorn on 02 March 2013.
Merseyside's pink project......'lily the Pink' was done for a good reason, to raise awareness to breast cancer.....it certainly has done that. It's not painted anyway but a Viyella wrap and easily be returned to original colour later

Added by Barrie Green on 02 March 2013.
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